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3-way link Building
3-way link Building the BEst?
cybox




msg:3776447
 5:43 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is 3-way links building the most effective way to get into the first page in google? or any other SE?

I am doing a 3-way link building and it works pretty good in a matter of weeks
What do you prefer?

 

tangor




msg:3776465
 6:54 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Don't do it. Comes back to bite you in the backside, sooner or later.

cybox




msg:3776528
 9:03 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Why is that so?

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Don't do it. Comes back to bite you in the backside, sooner or later.

Shaddows




msg:3776534
 9:18 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

First page from 3-ways? Madness.

If you are doing highly relevant linking, then great. I you are doing somewhat relevant, but basically paid linking, you will eventually get in trouble- in that the links will be devalued, and the ranking will plummet.

If you are just doing paid links, with no eye to relevancy, or if G decides your entire link profile was based on questionable practises, the drop in ranking may be accompanied by a loss of Trust- which is hard to get back, and will artificially depress your ranking even after you have built a good link profile.

Of course, if you actually get to page 1 using triangular linking (has anyone actually managed this- I'd love to hear about it), you might pick up some good quality, editiorial, targeted links by 'acccident', which would go some way to insulate you from loss of trust (but probably not the 3-way devaluation)

cybox




msg:3776536
 9:23 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

hmm. I think your wrong shaddows. I got 4 sites that gets into number one page by 3-way linking. 3-way linking and triangular linking are the same.,:)..Its not madness! Its works pretty great!..

tangor




msg:3776556
 9:57 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Let us know how that works out... next month.

Shaddows




msg:3776577
 10:49 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yep, 3-way and triangular are the same. Hence I used them interchangably.

4 sites on page 1 using nothing but triangular linking? I'm using the wrong strategy! I assume this is from a Link scheme with third parties- are they tightly related, or just some kind of paid system.

All sites same industry? In a competitive niche? On a competitive Keyword phrase? Of two or three words?

Let us know how that works out... next month.

LOL- Exactly!

cybox




msg:3776578
 10:51 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

yup, ill let you know..check this keyword <snip> . I got number 6-8 in the front page of google in just 1 month..:)..thats a fact!..pretty great huh!

[edited by: engine at 2:10 pm (utc) on Oct. 30, 2008]
[edit reason] No specific keywords, thanks [/edit]

Shaddows




msg:3776600
 11:24 am on Oct 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well, that is pretty impressive. But longevity is the name of the game.

Of course, if you can do that in a month, what I would do is create one or two new domains a week, rinse and repeat per domain. If it takes a month to get there, and a month to get slammed, you should still dominate SERPs.

If you do that, really do let me know how it goes

kool002




msg:3780933
 10:58 pm on Nov 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have the a similar question.
If 3 way link exchange is risky then what about this.
-- parallel link exchange --
* You have two sites - "A" & "B".
* Your link partner also has two sites "C" & "D".
* If "C" links to "A" and in return "B" links to "D".
This it is called parallel link exchange.

if A B C D are all on different ips how the heck google can know?

wheel




msg:3781045
 4:03 am on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google can know easily. It's nowhere near as simple as IP seperation. You need to check out one of those websites that show the graphs of how websites on the net interlink. It's startling to see how you can see patterns. And if it's a pattern, then it's detectable.

they can also do things like look at hosting companies. Nameservers. Domain ownership. How about the fact that if you have Google toolbars or the like installed you're sending every page you visit to Google for tracking? They can pick that apart.

If you've ever been to a pubcon and seen the sitereview sessions, you'll see how easily people can pick out networks and schemes like you're suggesting - the panelists do it on the fly in seconds. Oh look - you've got a little link scheme going on!

Maybe the catch it, maybe they don't. But suggesting they 'can't', you're playing with fire. At least be able to appraise the risk - and know what you're going to do if you get caught.

martinibuster




msg:3781059
 5:17 am on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

...it is called parallel link exchange.

Actually it's called a four way link. When you have five websites involved, then it's called a five way link, etc. ;)

Three way links are a subset of reciprocal links. Some link builders like to call them one way, some even call them the new kind of one-way link. But they're not. They're reciprocals. Anytime a site is being reciprocated, even if it's a third site, it's a reciprocal.

The reason we are seeing certain parts of the industry move to three-way linking is because clients have moved away from reciprocals. So the same link spammers that used their software to email tens of thousands of webmasters every month put the same software to use on doing reciprocal thee-way links, instead of reciprocal two-way links, and slapped the name New Style One-Way Links to hide that it's really a reciprocal link.

Is Google able to catch it? I understand they have the ability to do so and that so does Yahoo. Three-way link building is part of the high risk class of link building.

cybox




msg:3781065
 6:12 am on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I do a 3-way link and i think google never notice it at all..Its just a gossip around the web that google will catch it..

martinibuster




msg:3781081
 6:43 am on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's not gossip. I live forty minutes from the Googleplex. I've even visited the spam fighting office. But you don't need to have hung out with and spoken with many members of the Google spam fighting team as I have to get a clue of what they're able to accomplish. It's online in patents, white papers, and blog posts as well as during conference sessions. To deny it is to engage in willful ignorance or deception.

cybox, three-way links suck for anyone not willing to risk burning their website. Three-way links are not recommended to site owners with a legitimate ongoing business because it is a high risk link building strategy. Every link building strategy has a risk factor, some higher than others. If a webmaster cares about their website and can't bear the risk then it's in their interest to gauge it and consider avoiding three-way link building schemes.

Run as fast as you can from any link builder who offers three-way link building as a service. Best case scenario you're dealing with an experienced email spammer. Worst case scenario you may be dealing with a third world newb who recently acquired software and feels this qualifies them to offer a service.

Shaddows




msg:3781174
 11:14 am on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Three way links are a subset of reciprocal links. Some link builders like to call them one way, some even call them the new kind of one-way link. But they're not. They're reciprocals. Anytime a site is being reciprocated, even if it's a third site, it's a reciprocal.

The reason we are seeing certain parts of the industry move to three-way linking is because clients have moved away from reciprocals. So the same link spammers that used their software to email tens of thousands of webmasters every month put the same software to use on doing reciprocal thee-way links, instead of reciprocal two-way links, and slapped the name New Style One-Way Links to hide that it's really a reciprocal link.

Is Google able to catch it? I understand they have the ability to do so and that so does Yahoo. Three-way link building is part of the high risk class of link building.


Three-way links suck for anyone not willing to risk burning their website. Three-way links are not recommended to site owners with a legitimate ongoing business because it is a high risk link building strategy. Every link building strategy has a risk factor, some higher than others. If a webmaster cares about their website and can't bear the risk then it's in their interest to gauge it and consider avoiding three-way link building schemes.

Run as fast as you can from any link builder who offers three-way link building as a service. Best case scenario you're dealing with an experienced email spammer. Worst case scenario you may be dealing with a third world newb who recently acquired software and feels this qualifies them to offer a service.

Can you put this on a new thread and pin it to the top of the forum? Its brilliant, concise and worth reading as a link-building 101.

cybox




msg:3781219
 12:55 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hmm..I think your wrong..Its just your opinion. I dont know in what SEO 101 you have.Google don't care about 3-way or what way..Google will only detect links on its relevancy about the sites.. I been doing 3-way all the time the results are great. Thats the best thing. Risk is just a undefined word. You have no proof of it or what so ever!.

tangor




msg:3781221
 1:09 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Obvious we can't convince you, cybox. Please let us know how it all works out.

(on the web since 1996 and seen quite a bit of fallout along the way)

cybox




msg:3781233
 1:36 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yup.:)..It just a matter of finding great and permanent links. Don't go out and make a huge number of links. Just find the most relevant sites with a good link partners. Forums might help you to find some great links. I suggest that don't go for SEO companies sites. Go for the real sites, make a call and ask for links.

wheel




msg:3781307
 3:24 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Risk is just a undefined word. You have no proof of it or what so ever!.

You're doing your clients a disservice if you're telling them there's no risk. It's not about whether it's working or not - it's about if it can stop working in the future, and what happens to your site then.

It's entirely reasonable to assume that the statisticians at Google are trying to stop you from doing this kind of thing. The risk is that they succeed. If you have a throwaway site and don't care, that's one thing. If you're doing this for clients and their sites get burned because of your activity, that's a whole other thing.

Shaddows




msg:3781335
 4:04 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google don't care about 3-way or what way..Google will only detect links on its relevancy about the sites.. I been doing 3-way all the time the results are great. Thats the best thing. Risk is just a undefined word. You have no proof of it or what so ever!.

Cybox, you are saying "I have never had problems, therefore anyone who says there are problems are wrong"

Now, I would way WebmasterWorld is fairly authoritative, filled with knowledgable people who do SEO for a liveing, some running SEO companies, some with blue-chip clients. Most would say there is a risk.

Hell, the person nominated by this community to moderate the forum on Link Building says its risky.

Do you not think there is a slight possibility that you have so far been lucky? That perhaps the weight of opinion might indicate there is some truth in the 'gossip around the web'?

martinibuster




msg:3781525
 8:49 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's entirely reasonable to assume that the statisticians at Google are trying to stop you from doing this kind of thing.

Agreed and I will add that I don't have to assume. Many years ago I spoke with someone from the Google spam fighting team and we had a good discussion about three-way links. That is why I don't hesitate to classify three-way links as a high risk strategy.

cnvi




msg:3781611
 11:42 pm on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Three-way links are not recommended to site owners with a legitimate ongoing business because it is a high risk link building strategy. Every link building strategy has a risk factor, some higher than others. If a webmaster cares about their website and can't bear the risk then it's in their interest to gauge it and consider avoiding three-way link building schemes.

martinibuster said it spot on. A typical legitimate small business owner isnt going to hire a link builder that promises 3-way links. A typical legitimate small business owner doesnt know what a 3-way link is like you and I do.

Legitmate small businesses should get links based on the old mantra "would I do this if the search engines didnt exist?" The answer to that question is as obvious as to what makes the www a web: one way links or reciprocal links when it benefits the end user.

Once you start getting into 3-ways and 4-ways etc etc, one has to stop and ask what is the purpose of this complexity? The answer is to generate what the scamsters think search engines will perceive as "one way". But search engines see through the chicanery.

Need proof? I see it weekly. Almost every week we get a phone call from someone begging us to fix the damage an seo did to a site with 3 way links. The fix is simple: We remove the reciprocation to the 3 ways and focus the user back into good old relevant link exchange. Once we remove the reciprocation to the 3 ways and get the client focused back onto highly relevant links (recpirocal if needed) with quality sites related to the clients site, the rankings come back within days or weeks. It's that simple.

The evidence is abundant from many folks who work in the link building industry. 3ways do not produce rankings and a high volume of them will actually produce negative results.

cybox




msg:3781731
 5:38 am on Nov 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ok, thanks you guys. You open up my mind..:)..I was just making a good debate. Actually i'm not in a 3-way link building.
What are the most effective ways to get my site into a high ranking?. Is Blackhat good? or What about making video's and upload it to Youtube, is it advisable?.

thanks

tangor




msg:3781765
 8:40 am on Nov 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

Done with the fishing expedition. Every reference you'll find on this forum clearly states one should develop organic and reasonable links. There are no short cuts.

kool002




msg:3783548
 5:03 pm on Nov 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

I see the risk with 3-way. But where is the risk if it is 4 way.
A,B,C,D are sites with hidden who is.
hosted on ips quite apart.
date link exchanged are not same.
A link to B
D link to C
I think if you don't overdo it google can never know this. Because it is a simple case of B finding a good site A and links it and D finding a good site and links it.
That's exactly how the internet was formed.

zuko105




msg:3783602
 7:07 pm on Nov 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ah the nostalgia is flowing in. Party like it's 2001!

trillianjedi




msg:3783622
 7:50 pm on Nov 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

But longevity is the name of the game.

No, it's the name of your game.

Generally speaking it's the name of my game too, but nothing wrong with the short-term plays.

I got number 6-8 in the front page of google in just 1 month

Rinse and repeat. Make hay while the sun shines.

pbradish




msg:3783627
 7:57 pm on Nov 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think that this is blown way out of proportion.

Oh no, I'm running a 3-way link! Google is going to remove me and I'll be blacklisted from every other SE as well!

If I theoretically own 3 hobbyist websites and link them together, that's OK. As long as I'm not spamming, stick within my niche, and bring something different to the table content-wise with each website, I'm going to be OK.

tangor




msg:3783628
 7:58 pm on Nov 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ah the nostalgia is flowing in. Party like it's 2001!

Dang! 1999 was bad enough! :)

Gomvents




msg:3783629
 8:01 pm on Nov 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

I do plenty of 3way and 4way exchanges. I also only do it for relevant sites and have about 200 sites in many different niches all set-up differently (some directories, some informational sites, some blogs, etc.) all separate class c ips, nameservers, registrars, registrar information, registered on different dates, my workers are in a different county with lock-ed down PCs without Google toolbars or any other Google software. While I agree it IS possible for Google to detect most 3way link exchanges, they cannot detect everything, and in reality don't detect most if done cleanly as we do it. Do I recommend people go out and do it a lot now? No - that would be reckless. Everything has risk, but when done as we do it risk is very low, much lower than buying homepage footer links or spamming blogs as many do.

Here it is folks, the 4 best ways to get links:

#1 build a great site that people naturally want to link to without your encouragement
#2 have some widget on your site that people want to put on their site which includes a link back to your site (be careful with this one!)
#3 Offer to write a site owner a free article if they are willing to include a link to your site in the body of the article (this is often the best method although it's tough to get site owners to agree to it, sometimes offering payment helps as well)
#4 three way link exchanges with other sites when done carefully and cleanly. Ignore PR, focus on relevancy.

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