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Link Development Has Evolved - So What Do We Call Link Developers?
Taking suggestions....
sugarrae

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:01 am on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm hiring some new employees who will be doing link development - but not old school link dev... they'll be doing social media, online media intros, developing full on relationships and site promotion via any means possible... so, I feel like calling them "link developers" isn't an accurate statement... they're there to generate traffic, links and exposure... any thoughts?

 

Webwork

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 12:03 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Publicist? [google.com]

Matt Probert

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 2:46 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Spin doctors? <g>

Matt

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 2:58 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Time wasters;

Yours, theirs, and visitors?

If you put the investment in content, you'll get just as many visitors, more conversion, greater ROI - and the benfits won't stop when you stop spending the money.

Sorry to be a dissenting voice; you'll thank me later ;)

buckworks

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:07 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Content development vs link development should be

Both/And

not

Either/Or

Especially for a young site!

oddsod

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:32 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

I call mine site managers. While I control overall strategy each has operational control of the promotional efforts for a site or sites.

[edited by: oddsod at 3:33 pm (utc) on July 4, 2007]

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:32 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think I'd go with publicist if a change is really required, and I'm not sure it is.

dcheney

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:40 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

hmm, if you want it to sound good, how about "site evangelist" ... or you could call it what it is ... "spammer" ;-)

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:44 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you'r talking about link developer as in link monkey, the up-to-date term is:

Site Keyword Integration and Networking Technician... or just skint for short ;)

Hot_gurl_33: A/S/L LOLCOPTERROFL? GOTTAJOB?
Monkey_4_U: 23/M/NEARBY. SKINT.

cnvi

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 3:57 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sugarrae, great question.. here we call them "Link Development Editors" .. short and simple because that is what they do.. they make editorial decisions on each link opportunity.

Happy 4th folks!

jimbeetle

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 4:23 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

With everything you're going to have them doing dcheney's "site evangelist" seems to cover all the bases. And it has good roots in the techie industry.

jdancing

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 5:12 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

How about something up the evolutionary chart from Link Monkey. Maybe Link Neanderthalensis?

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 5:48 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Content development vs link development should be
Both/And not Either/Or Especially for a young site!

Very 2005; These days, no site needs enough 'link development' - or any other kind of spam - to justify paying a link/spam monkey to do it.

A few quality links from directories and related sites is enough. After than, on-site stuff is much, much, much more important; and any organic links the site earns (by quality content) will maintain enough link momentum.

Most sites pursuing active 'link strategies' are simply wasting their time spamming forums and blogs (for devalued links) - or worse - and all are signing their own suicide notes before leaping to oblivion.

The SEs have moved on; time some webmasters did too :)

vincevincevince

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 6:15 pm on Jul 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

I agree with Quadrille, and that is what I tried to imply with my previous name suggestion. The seat which used to have a link developer now needs to be filled with a researcher or a tool developer.

iamlost

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 2:59 am on Jul 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I agree with Quadrille and vincevincevince regarding the begging, borrowing, or buying of links as generally practiced.

However, 'link development' is a broad concept that includes link-b/b/b as well as content creation and any other effort that results in backlinks.

Of course there is link development and then there is quality link development :-) just depends on your business model - are you in the link development business or the site development business? Shortterm or longterm?

Actually given sugarrae's rep I am rather surprised. I quite thought her blackmail - sorry, I meant Blackberry - speed dial already had every PR6 and better page owner at her beck and call eager to link to her every whim. :-)

In answer to her question: Social Engineer.

Crush

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 7:02 am on Jul 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

We still do old school spam. Link monkeys are a thing of the past though. We had 10 or more full time in 2 shifts when we were into getting lots of links for our travel sites.

As for the new media I am afraid we do not do that yet whilst G is still easy to exploit. The reason is it takes too much time and you need to be creative. The latter I guess I could try but it makes my head hurt thinking about it :)

The next phase in Google link dev will be when they can weed out all the rubbish. They have done a good job with putting crap into supps etc but the spammers learn what works with this too.

So for me it is still good old Link development.

lfgoal

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 2:31 pm on Jul 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

"If you put the investment in content, you'll get just as many visitors"

Would you say the same thing about a movie studio thats 60 million to finance a film and then spends 20 million to promote it through "social media"? I doubt it.

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 2:41 pm on Jul 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Link Development Has Evolved - So What Do We Call Link Developers?

Search Engine Marketers

oddsod

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 2:56 pm on Jul 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>Social Engineer.

Social engineering [en.wikipedia.org] is something that bad, loony left governments do. Like ours in the UK ;)

iamlost

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 12:17 am on Jul 6, 2007 (gmt 0)


Social engineering is something that bad...

Yes. Glad you got the context.

All link development is designing to play to people's needs, real and perceived, whether it be offering cash, reciprocity, enticing content.

And Social Engineer (as with Sanitation Engineer) sounds nicer than copy-scraping-link-baiting-cleavage-for-friends-monkey.
And SEM is just so agency.

Maxnpaddy



 
Msg#: 3385727 posted 1:47 pm on Jul 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

So..... a fun name for link people could be Link Outsourcers....

Or:

Link developers, Link builders, Link finders, Link locators, Link hunters, Link planners, Link buyers, Link negotiators etc. Doesn't really matter what they are called - these people basically find and get links for a fee.

I'd reckon most on the web know this already, so my question is How does this benefit me? In what way, I mean besides reducing my workload a bit, what can these folks do that I or anyone else can't.

As a webmaster myself, I can do the link hunting on my own and save the fee. Does anybody use a service like you described? - I dunno.

Crush

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 10:36 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

"As a webmaster myself, I can do the link hunting on my own and save the fee. Does anybody use a service like you described? - I dunno."

Must be joking :) I am a boss and my time is far more valuable than a link monkey. Why would I do work myself that I can pay someone a pittance to do it on my behalf.

Your business will always be the size of a pea if you think like that.

[edited by: Crush at 10:36 am (utc) on July 8, 2007]

Habtom

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 10:47 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

So What Do We Call Link Developers?

Human Crawlers

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 12:49 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Why would I do work myself that I can pay someone a pittance to do it on my behalf.

I've seen that philosophy backfire many times. In fact, I'm sitting on two link exchange requests right now that I know the client is not aware of. I take them and forward them to the site owners when I have the time. I'm sure there are many who are totally "unaware" of what their pittance has gotten them into.

Link Development Has Evolved - So What Do We Call Link Developers?

Deprecated

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 4:12 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Rae-ettes..... Sugar Drops

Web Traffic Developers

Maxnpaddy



 
Msg#: 3385727 posted 4:22 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, I was quoted $600 for some link finding once. That's why I do it myself.

This link industry has been taken advantage of, for little reward for the smaller guy. I expected these high fees would increase reciprocal links, and lessen the seo side of things, but hasn't happened.

It's not helpful to me or my budget and now find myself fearful of all things seo or link based because of what Google has built.

King_Fisher

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 4:24 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Link Lurkers

Link N Loggers

Linketts

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 4:54 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Web Publicist

Associate Web Publicist

PS: I see that Webworks suggested "Publicist" in the second post, back on the other page. Great minds think alike. ;)

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 4:56 pm (utc) on July 8, 2007]

Crush

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Msg#: 3385727 posted 8:08 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I had 10 people in eastern europe for $200 each a month. Forget the $10 a link guys in India. Get some full timers if you need links in bulk.

Maxnpaddy



 
Msg#: 3385727 posted 9:04 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Ok, and all those links suddenly drop you, (which isn't uncommon) then you are left with nothing for your cash.

That works out at $2000 wasted, which could have gone on something else. Sites lose a ton of links all the time and without even realising it, or checking to see if they still have the links. It's like buying an advert, and then not checking it's roi - many don't.

$2000 spent elsewhere could buy quite a lot of links, PPC or PFI, so why risk using outsiders who stand to gain whether you lose or not. And at least you would have something set in stone.

It's true though.

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