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Hiring someone for link development
How not to get screwed in the process?
bcc1234

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 2:12 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

I need to get some inbound links for one message board site.
More than half of the pages are in the supplemental index of G. After doing some reading on the topic, I'm inclined to believe that getting more links and increasing PR is the way to get all pages into the primary index.

I've tried looking for link building experts, but I only see two types of offers out there.

One is where they offer a bunch of links from their own directories (and they don't admit that the directories are theirs, but it really seems that way). I think such links, even thousands or them, won't do any good.

The other kind of link builders I notices seem to plan the campaigns around spamming the whois e-mail addresses with requests to reciprocate in three-ways. They offer a link to the contacted webmaster from one of their sites in exchange for a link to my site.

The problem with the latter approach (aside from the ethics), is that if people start forwarding this e-mail spam to G, they might remove the site from the index or penalize it somehow. That would defeat the purpose of a link building campaign.

How would I go about finding someone who would get some inbound links from related sites?

Right now, I'm thinking about hiring one of my "do-it-all" assistants/contractors that do all kinds of mindless/repetitive stuff for my projects. But I'm afraid they'll screw it up by spamming behing my back or would simply not do a good job.

What are the options out there?

Thanks.

 

bsterz

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 2:35 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

buy some

wheel

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 2:54 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Nobody will develop better quality links than you will. As noted, but some.But also do some custom emails to people in your community that might link to a vibrant discussion forum.

bcc1234

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 3:59 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Nobody will develop better quality links than you will.

That applies to anything, not just links. But I don't want to do it myself because I need to be doing other stuff.

buy some

I've heared some bad stories about paid links, so I don't want to go that route.

I'm also afraid that a person I might hire for link building would simply by the links from a third party and then collect the difference.

Jane_Doe

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 5:44 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Knowing how to attract great links is everything right now for rankings in the search engines. Many of the people who know how to do that really well and not get sites banned are going to make the most money by doing it for their own web sites. There are some people who do it for a living and really seem to know what they are doing but that certainly isn't the majority of link building firms and the ones that do know a lot charge appropriately.

[edited by: Jane_Doe at 5:48 am (utc) on May 17, 2007]

bcc1234

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 7:00 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

that certainly isn't the majority of link building firms

Yep. That's the impression that I'm getting. Would you have any tips on figuring out if a company is good or not?
With other kinds of work, it's easy to ask for references, but in this case, a refusal to provide them is not necessarily a bad thing.

glengara

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 11:56 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

*More than half of the pages are in the supplemental index of G.*

PR apart, have you eliminated the other possible causes?

wheel

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 11:56 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

The real problem you have is that you don't know how to evaluate links. You know enough to know that if you hire blindly you're apt to get screwed. You need to be able to say 'I need these kinds of links, at this price'.

Which kind of means you need to educate yourself - which brings me back to the point that there's nobody better to do it yourself. I don't want to sound like a non-answer; but I believe you need to know how to develop links yourself before you can properly hire contractors.

if you're looking to hire someone full time (doesn't sound like it) there is an article by sugarrae floating around somewhere on the web where she talks about how to hire a link developer. A friend of mine used it recently when hiring a link developer and seemed happy with it.

bcc1234

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 2:18 pm on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

PR apart, have you eliminated the other possible causes?

Yep. Took some work, but I think I've outdone myself this time as far as "other possible causes" :)

bcc1234

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 2:25 pm on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

there's nobody better to do it yourself

As I said, that's not an option.

if you're looking to hire someone full time

Nope. Not full time.

wheel

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 4:00 pm on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, then you've got yourself a dilemma. IMO most of the link developers out there are going to cause you exactly the type of problems you're concerned about. Again IMO I think there are extremely good link developers out there but they're neither inexpensive or easy to find.

Hey, if it was as easy as write a check and get links that will help you, everyone would be doing it :).

I appreciate that this is a non-answer...but I think you'll find that there isn't any good answer to your question. We can't provide specific names, and unless you know enough about link development to ask the right questions, you're going in blind.

bcc1234

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 10:42 pm on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

but they're neither inexpensive or easy to find

I never said anything about inexpensive :)
It's the "hard to find part" that sucks, and it's understandable.

I guess I'll just put this whole idea on my to-do list. That usually takes care of things :)

Crunchola

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 12:19 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have tried like 4 times to use Indian based link builders and each time it has been more trouble that its worth. Nowadays it is time to network to obtain links and contact related sites directly. Everyone knows the game is on.
If you must hire someone be really strict about the details and the specifications for the links.

Frida

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 12:45 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Right now, I'm thinking about hiring one of my "do-it-all" assistants/contractors that do all kinds of mindless/repetitive stuff for my projects. But I'm afraid they'll screw it up by spamming behind my back or would simply not do a good job.

bcc1234,

What you are worried about is indeed the very basic concern of every employer - work not to be done right. However, when you hire people to do a part of your job, the concern always stays.
In your specific situation, I guess, to hire a person do some of your "mindless", repetitive work is a good bet. If you manage to control their work - this option will work great for you.

--Frida--

CainIV

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 6:47 am on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

The problem with the latter approach (aside from the ethics), is that if people start forwarding this e-mail spam to G, they might remove the site from the index or penalize it somehow. That would defeat the purpose of a link building campaign.

So you are suggesting that it could be possibles that this is all it would take to oust the competition?:P

I doubt this has any validity.

In terms of links, look at diverse cross-sections and look to gain some one ways via payment, if you cannot afford the time to do the work.

Be very vigilant about guidelines for links and set clear boundaries on what will and won't be tolerated in terms of what you need from linking sites from the get go.

Do not pay for any links until you are absoltely sure they are what you asked for. First you will need to arm yourself with real knowledge on what a good link is (First hint, don't look at the pagerank bar)

Remember that these type of one way links are usually good when done right, but almost invariably you will need in-content links (real quality sites publishing your material, press releases, etc as well as higher quality links to make a real impact.

jchampliaud

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 8:40 pm on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

(First hint, don't look at the pagerank bar)

How right you are!

sugarrae

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Msg#: 3341635 posted 2:16 am on May 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>>kind of means you need to educate yourself

I don't think you need to do your link development yourself per se, but you do need to know how to do it yourself or have someone on staff who does because there is no such thing as a degree in link development. A link developer can be trained in any number of several ways:

- By self teaching

- By utilizing a program like zeus or arelis that basically spams webmasters

- By beign taught by someone who sucks at it

- By being taught by someone who is good at it

The problem is, when you hire a link developer, if you or someone on your staff that you trust doesn't know how to do link development and do it well, you have no idea how the person you're hiring learned link development if you can find an experienced person. If you hire someone green, they'll be totally lost. Link development can be done by most people, as long as their trained correctly.

Now, you said expense wasn't your top concern - in that case, you may want to look into quality link baiting services and higher caliber link development experts to help you get your links developed. Especially if you don't plan to hire someone full time. My two cents...

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