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Link Building Idea
Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
Jhet

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 9:20 pm on Mar 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think Iíve come up with a really good way to get a lot of relevant links to my site and increase my rankings for my keywords.

Iím going to create a domain that has thousands of pages of content that is on topic. The content will be free from other sites so I can get the site up quickly. These pages will be stories, articles, lists...whatever is free to use and relevant to my topic. Then, to get the new site recognized by the search engines, Iíll add a few articles to my main site and a few other sites of mine, which already have a PR of 4-6. Then I will put links in the new articles on my existing sites to the new site with all the content. After that, I can just add as many links as I want from the content of the new site to my main site and other sites using the keywords I want from each article. Wahlla! Thousands of links!

In short:
My sites -> Link To -> articles on my sites -> Link To -> my new site -> Links To -> content on my new site -> Links To -> all of my sites with relevant keywords!

Tell me what you think. Please.

 

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 9:32 pm on Mar 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Unless you're hosting on different servers with different IP addresses and have completely different WHOIS data for each site, Google will be able to figure out that it's just a self-linking scheme and not give much (if any) weight to the links. Google may even penalize you for trying to game the system.

But give it a try and let us know how you fare.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 9:32 pm on Mar 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you pass a dollar from your right hand to your left hand, are you one dollar richer?

Jhet

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 9:59 pm on Mar 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes, the whois info and the IP will be different from all of our other sites.

Would this change your stance that my sites would be no better off martinibuster? Would you see any possible negative effects of doing this like LifeinAsia mentioned?

Thank you!

*edit- off is spelled with 2 f's...who would have thought!*

[edited by: Jhet at 10:00 pm (utc) on Mar. 20, 2007]

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 11:05 pm on Mar 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

No it doesn't.

If you take a dollar out of your pocket and put it into your wife's purse, then she returns the dollar later that evening, are you one dollar richer?

inbound

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 11:12 pm on Mar 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Plenty of people have thought of this, and the ones daft enough to go through with it are currently wondering why Google doesn't love them anymore.

This a blatent, but poor, attempt at manipulating the SERPs, not the kind of thing Google likes.

A better option would be to invest the time in writing unique and useful content for your site. Forget regurgitating the same stuff that can be found elsewhere. If you can't do that then give up.

300m

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 1:10 pm on Mar 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

It sounds like a "mini-net".

wolfadeus

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 1:32 pm on Mar 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Even if you manage to hide from Google that it is slightly dirty practice, it sounds very much like too much work for too little benefit - non-original content doesn't contain valued links, so don't expect too much.

wheel

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:13 pm on Mar 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Networks are really easy to detect I believe. There's graphical representations of web linking structures available on the web, don't have a link handy. But check one out if you can find one. These types of schemes stick out like a sore thumb when you look at linking structure visually. I mean, it's really, really blatant.

And if you can look at a picture and see that it looks funny, Google can likely write a program to detect it.

Plus, I think everyone here is politely telling you it almost certainly won't work.

Jhet

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:38 pm on Mar 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thank you everyone for responding, I really appreciate the candid feedback.

What is a 'mini net' 300m? I have not heard that term before.

300m

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:55 pm on Mar 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

To the best of my understanding it is a collection of sites owned by the same entity and they link to each other to artificially boost link strength.

This used to be common in the 90's and is something that is frowned upon by search engines.

There may be a better way to explain it and perhaps someone will post a better defined answer.

buckworks

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 3:13 pm on Mar 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

The only way your proposal would create much benefit would be if the new site you built was good enough to attract significant new links from outside sources.

Without that, all you're doing is moving your existing Page Rank around (like Martinibuster's dollar). You can achieve the same thing more safely ... and probably more effectively ... by working to improve your present site, with careful thought to your internal crosslinking.

Bottom line: if you want links, create something linkworthy. Don't expect to create them out of thin air.

JudgeJeffries

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 8:23 pm on Mar 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is there something I'm missing here?
Isnt this simply multiple cross linking between two sites?
Sounds like a train crash for both sites when Big G hits the fan.

artek

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:05 am on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

To the best of my understanding it is a collection of sites owned by the same entity and they link to each other to artificially boost link strength.
This used to be common in the 90's and is something that is frowned upon by search engines.

Now it is done under title of "partner sites", especially by entities with lot of money who own bundles of popular sites. It seems to me that they are not being panelized by G at all.

Jhet, idea is for each website to be first established, somewhat popular, with some links from outside. Than, having few sites like that, you can link them slowly.

Kirby

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:36 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Now it is done under title of "partner sites", especially by entities with lot of money who own bundles of popular sites. It seems to me that they are not being panelized by G at all.

Those popular sites, owned by entities like IAC, are popular (with lots of links) independent of the network of "partner sites". Remove the handful of "partner links" and there will be little change because of the thousands of other quality links.

CainIV

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 12:54 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Train crash and useless unles you can get lots of quality links from other domains, which would essentially the need to do this in the first place.

Good question though.

jscroft

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:05 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Jhet, it IS a good question, though I admit it leaves a lingering odor of sleaze. But look...

Let's not forget that behind all the numbers... behind the PageRanks, and crosslinks, and SERPs, and the other BS... behind all that are PEOPLE, who are looking for something interesting to buy, or read, or listen to, or whatever. Of what possible value could your scheme be for THEM?

What you are proposing is the online equivalent of throwing a box of banana peels on the sidewalk and hoping that every once in a while some poor schmuck on his way to a REAL job slips on one and drops a nickel out of his pocket. The potential risk and possible return of the scheme ought not to be the first questions in your mind. Uppermost in your mind should be this:

"Is this REALLY how I want to make my living?"

See, SEO is just a tool. It can make good content more visible to search, sure, but it can't turn a pile of s**t into gold, no matter HOW assiduously you work on your pile of s**t.

Now go forth and make yourself useful.

physics

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 3:24 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

The idea of having an authority site that can help you to launch new sites is not a crazy idea, at least from my observations.
I see sites ranking in the top 10 for single keywords I want that have links from only one site ... an authority site which I'm sure is owned by the same person (or they are just subdomains or subdirectories of an existing domain).
Starting from scratch with every new domain is no fun.
Not saying your particular scheme will work just pontificating...

frances

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 11:53 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

It seems to me too that networks like these arnt penalized by google.

Is there any point in reporting them?

flack47

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 1:36 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Jscroft,

That was beautiful. I've got a little tear in my eye. :)

Seriously, though, Jhet, I have to second that. You should spend some of that crafty thinking worrying about how to make your sites more useful for the consumer/viewer.
With 4-6 pageranks on your other sites, what are you worried about starting a new site just to build its rank up to the same level? Try to boost those numbers. That will be equal to if not more than the effort that it takes to make a 1000+ page specifically for the purpose of SEO.

Red Mud Rookie

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:29 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)


If you pass a dollar from your right hand to your left hand, are you one dollar richer?

Thanks... I love that expression and shall use it going forth...

Why put all this effort into multiple sites when you could put it all into the site that makes money for you and create a fantastic, content -rich site while you're at it?

jk3210

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:29 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

<<it can't turn a pile of s**t into gold>>

But isn't it amazing how fast it can turn gold into s**t?

System
redhat


 
Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:51 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

The following 3 messages were cut out to new thread by martinibuster. New thread at: link_development/3300280.htm [webmasterworld.com]
9:35 am on April 2, 2007 (utc -8)

King_Fisher

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 7:23 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)


Me thinks your links, stink. :)

JudgeJeffries

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 8:40 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sounds like that famous boxing headline
'loma coma aroma'

mfishy

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 12:10 am on Apr 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you folks are seriously suggesting that crappy link networks do not work with google, you are insane. In nearly every niche there are sites with 4,000+ home page links - and they own all of them. Of course, they are smart enought o ahve many ip's/whois, etc...

Let me ask you martinibuster, If you put a dollar in your wife's purse and she gives you back $2 have you made any money?

flack47

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 2:41 pm on Apr 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

mfishy - No, because that other dollar was probably the husband's too. :)

callivert

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 3:52 pm on Apr 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

if this doesn't work, then Amazon's in big trouble. They bought IMDB, and now have a gazillion links from IMDB to Amazon. Looks like one big dirty link exchange to me!

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 4:14 pm on Apr 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you folks are seriously suggesting that crappy link networks do not work with google, you are insane.

1. Are you suggesting that links from one site to a brand new site is going to rank the brand new site in the top five at Google?

2. We're not discussing link networks. We are discussing the OPs specific issue.

In nearly every niche there are sites with 4,000+ home page links - and they own all of them.

Nearly every niche? Nah. Unless you're counting dot EDUs.

idolw

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Msg#: 3287707 posted 4:27 pm on Apr 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

The content will be free from other sites so I can get the site up quickly

can you elaborate on this one?
will you steal the content ot recycle the one you already have on your sites?

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