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Crush




msg:3266537
 11:30 am on Feb 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

This has been tested so no flaming please and unless you have actually tested something similar.

I bought 4000 links from links pages and 4000 links from non links pages ( I bought more but for argument sake here lets say 4000)

Links from links pages pfft. Links from non links pages rock. This of course is tested on google.

Take it from Uncle crush. Stop your link begging requests and if you do please get them on an internal page that is well linked from within the site. G can devalue links pages.

PS Do not beleive the bull from Google about buying links. Why do they think they say it? Because it works.

 

oddsod




msg:3271493
 2:29 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think google is intelligent enough to know who is selling links

That's what they'd like you to think. ;)

What if it's just about the rate at which links are being added ... and that rate being compared with the rate at which your competitors are getting links?

If you kept buying links in similar kinds of sites, and did it consistently every month, you'd probably still be at the top of those SERPs.

Crush




msg:3271506
 2:41 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Look, how many links are created on the net every day? Do you think Google knows where they come from? No they do not. Their engine indexes content,links and it has an algorythm to determine trust. I know for sure part of that algo is that once you have trust you can be a bit freer with your linking policy.

All the scare tactics is smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that Google uses a link based algo combined with trust.

walkman




msg:3271540
 3:15 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I noticed that I got a nice backlink from a relatively popular blog. On the right side they have about a dozen or so links similar to mine. Will it be ignored by Goog acording to this theory?

Crush




msg:3271592
 4:19 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

walkman not at all. Get on as many blogrolls as you possibly can.

walkman




msg:3271687
 5:51 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

thanks Crush,
I actually did not "get it" :-)
It was ones of those links that goog is supposed to love:
TOTALLY unsolicited, from a relatively related site and with many other similar links around mine.
This is my second such link in a month, so I hope that the trend continues--and that Goog takes them into account.

whatson




msg:3271871
 8:53 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Crush <snip> unless you actually tell us results that you have achieved, other than just saying "Links from non links pages rock"

How much did your positions go up?!

I agree with others too, I think you are playing a risky game, Google is a very intelligent company, and they have no problem penalizing sites.

[edited by: martinibuster at 11:03 pm (utc) on Mar. 5, 2007]
[edit reason] See TOS 4 & 19 [/edit]

oddsod




msg:3272319
 8:16 am on Mar 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google is a very intelligent company

They have some very intelligent people, yes. But it's important to realise the limitations of "intelligence". Google doesn't have supernatural powers. Yes, it can probably detect and discount links under a "sponsored link" banner. It can probably detect other links as ads if they don't fit in with the theme of the site, are located in certain places on the page, or show a commonality with links on other unrelated sites (like text link campaigns with major text link companies some of whose inventory may already be sussed as sites selling links).

Don't discuss your links by gmail. Don't advertise on your site that you're selling links. Buy the right type of links, at the right places, via the right methods and Google will never know you paid for them.

whatson




msg:3272362
 9:26 am on Mar 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Its easy enough to incorporate an algorithm to flag any site that just gains 4000+ links in a month.

oddsod




msg:3272392
 10:13 am on Mar 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

I''ve just had one of my sites gain 4,000+ links from a single article I posted. Trust me, there's no Google penalty ;)

They were all natural links and further validated by hundreds of delicious, digg, stumbleupon and other bookmarks. But many links were from blogs including some lower PR/less visited/lower quality ones.

Here's a tip I don't often give out: The best time to go on a link building campaign is when you've created some natural buzz.

By supplementing those natural links with some very, very carefully selected paid ones - a few thousand dollars worth, but not a huge quantity - I ensured #1 spot in Google for my every one of some very competitive terms that site targets. Will I keep #1? Probably not. But the barrier for someone to beat me is now very, very high. And the effort required to stay in #1 is a lot less than to climb there.

I am fairly confident that the intelligent Google is too stupid to spot those paid links.

Kirby




msg:3273974
 2:58 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

>no Google penalty

Big difference between a penalty and devalued links.

trillianjedi




msg:3273987
 3:11 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Oddsod just gave away the farm.

oddsod




msg:3274086
 4:17 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks, TJ. I remember several years ago when people shared stuff like that pretty frequently in WebmasterWorld. Doesn't happen that much anymore. :(

trillianjedi




msg:3274106
 4:38 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

<Sorry, OT>

There are less edges now - that makes it harder. If you have an edge, you're likely to keep it to yourself until the next person guesses it or someone posts about it. Anything all the way right up to the edge is fair game. Nothing has changed in that respect, just less of them.

You just took one of mine away, but that's OK, onwards and upwards.... ;)

</OT>

oddsod




msg:3274160
 5:13 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

<STILL OT>

I wouldn't worry too much. The skill is in the implementing ;)

</STILL OT>

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