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What to look for when purchasing links?
F_Rose




msg:3155213
 4:38 pm on Nov 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

We are looking into buying links from sites that are within our niche.

My question is what would count the most as a quality link?

A. Relevancy
B. Page Rank
C. Alexa Ranking

[edited by: F_Rose at 4:38 pm (utc) on Nov. 13, 2006]

 

F_Rose




msg:3156227
 2:47 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

"I have purchased many links from TLA and have found the links to be of superior quality if you know what you are doing ;) They also have excellent customer service."

What did these links do to you?

Increased your page rank?
Got your site indexed?

You say the links where superior quality, how many links have you actually purchased throug TLA?

mrjohncory




msg:3156229
 2:50 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Use MSN or Yahoo! . . . Google's "link:" command is #$!@

Maybe . . . but perhaps Google isn't showing this link-back because it's not factoring it into the site's ranking because it knows it's crap?

I did the search again with MSN and Yahoo! and did find one of the ten links to the test site. But only one of ten . . . and I also found 5 pages of other pretty obviously purchased sites, results that weren't displayed in Google.

So, yeah, maybe Google's "link:" command is junk and maybe it's just really smart?

Personally, I would hope that Google was actively shunning link-backs like these. The websites linking out had really awful content and the site receiving the links had really awful content.

john551




msg:3156231
 2:52 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does it work buying links on sites like <snip>They claim to promote the site in their email campaigns. Anybody got success by buying links from such sites?

[edited by: encyclo at 3:12 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2006]
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jakegotmail




msg:3156233
 2:56 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

wow a flame ok.

if you or anyone on these boards knows everything about SEO then you probably wouldnt even read these boards. You would be so filthy rich b/c you dominate the search engines and wouldn't need to learn anything else.

I partake in one facet of the game (1 piece of the 1 million piece puzzle), day in and day out and can comment rather accurately b/c I have seen great success in what I do. Just b/c I didnt know the only location of a robots.txt for a site doesnt mean I cannot voice my opinion to try and help others on BUYING LINKS :)

Thats like saying someone who builds the best Flash designs in the world cant ask a question about Actionscript.

To answer your question JROSE: "Stay away from purchasing links?"

I wasnt saying this by any means, just stay away from site wides if you can.

As others have noted relevant traffic greatly helps the ROI for links you buy.

F_Rose




msg:3156237
 3:01 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

"just stay away from site wides if you can"

What is site wides?

jakegotmail




msg:3156247
 3:06 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rose:

Site wide is a link that is on every single page of a site. So you can see why google would not look so kindly on a link that is on 1,567 pages of a web site. It looks "fake" b/c in all reality who "naturally" links to a external site on every single one of their pages.

F_Rose




msg:3156249
 3:11 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a link that I would like to purchase from TLA.

It says:
# of Pages Your Ad Will Appear On: 96400

Is this considered a site wide link?

jakegotmail




msg:3156253
 3:15 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

thats a considerable amnt of pages. More then likely that is a site wide.

Gomvents




msg:3156254
 3:18 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes.

a sitewide link is a link on every page of their site, usually dynamically inserted using what's called a PHP include file.

They often stick these links in their footers and it's very unnatural.

You should never buy more then one link from the same domain a it won't help.

EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE: get as many links off the dmoz.org domain as you can. Each link from that domain is valuable.

F_Rose




msg:3156255
 3:20 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the information.

The site happens to be a relevant site, high page rank.

On Google I tried, link:site.com they have 8600 url's linked to thier site.

P.S. Most links offered on TLA or site wide links. So drop TLA all togethier?

F_Rose




msg:3156261
 3:23 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Disregard..

The one I am referring to does offer only one link off thier site..

High page rank, relevant site, only one link off thier web site, $30.00 a month.

Good enough deal?

jakegotmail




msg:3156263
 3:27 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not a bad deal rose.

Also, use link:www.whatever.com in YAHOO not google. Yahoo's link operator works much better then google's.

JeremyL




msg:3156267
 3:30 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Things to consider when buying links

1. PR of domain & page buying from
2. Location for the link
3. Relevancy
4. Cache date of page you are purchasing & main domain
5. # of pages indexed vs. # of live pages on site
6. Is page of link in supplemental index
7. What percentage of pages for total site are in supplemental index
8. How many outbound links on page
9. # of inbound links to domain & page you are buying for
10. Estimated direct traffic from link

If you find a good domain you want to buy from, do a site: search in Google using relevant terms to your site. Let Google tell you what page on their domain is most relevant to your site.

Some here suggest using networks while other suggest doing all the work yourself. It all boils down to how much time and money you have on your hands. Networks make it easy to buy links and will broker and monitor the deal to make sure you don't pay for anything shady, like a site owner taking down a link after you paid. Doing it yourself will probably be a little cheaper and give you full control, but you take more risks and it takes a long time to find the sites and broker the deals.

It's all a matter of personal preference.

[edited by: JeremyL at 3:33 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2006]

romaniucc




msg:3156273
 3:33 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Relevancy, number of outgoing links. Last, although not so important, pr.
Hope this helps.

F_Rose




msg:3156286
 3:50 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

How many quality links do I need to obtain to have Google index our site..

We are starting out with TLA and purchasing maybe 10 quality links, is that a good enough start, or do you need tons to even be looked ate?

JeremyL




msg:3156315
 4:07 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Depends on how many pages you have. The more pages, the more links, and the deeper the links need to be.

greenleaves




msg:3156323
 4:13 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Another point I would like to bring up.

Make your link projection for the long term.

That is, better buy less, and keep them up for years then buy more and take them down fast once you run out of budget.

I believe Google gives priority to aged links (it makes sence too).

ken_b




msg:3156332
 4:17 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Think about this....

Some sites that link out only do so after checking the target sites other incoming, and sometimes outgoing links.

Careless linking today could cost you some great links in the future.

Jane_Doe




msg:3156350
 4:28 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Could we actually get penalized for using thier service?

If you worked for Google, wouldn't you have some "undercover" people buying links from text link ads? How hard would that be for a large group of people with advanced degrees in logic based disciplines working for a company with a lot of cash to figure out to do? Personally, if I was in charge of spam control at Google I'd even set up a text link ad service just to be able to figure out who is buying and selling ads.

F_Rose




msg:3156352
 4:30 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Should we rather link to the home page or to internal pages to get our inside pages indexed?

P.S. I understand we should link to both, but we want Google to get our inside pages indexed asap.

Edge




msg:3156398
 5:19 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Your direct link should be on topic, and if possible, generate real measurable traffic.

Gomvents




msg:3156401
 5:28 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

"I believe Google gives priority to aged links (it makes sence too)."

Yes, that is true. VERY true.

jakegotmail




msg:3156406
 5:31 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

very much so. might be the biggest factor of them all. if its a bought link it would make sense that the link might not be around for very long vs. a "natural" link that will more then likely be there forever.

randle




msg:3156450
 6:18 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

My advice would be, and I say this will all due respect and it is meant as genuine advice, is to not buy links at this time. This has nothing to do with the merits of that action, but given your sequence of questions it doesnít appear you have an adequate understanding of links to be able to make a really good purchase decision.

Go out and get a few links from other sites and analyze what happens, use the Yahoo site explorer to see how fast they get picked up, watch for any increase in ranking or additional traffic. Study and learn links before you wade into what can be a very challenging marketplace and start spending money and putting your site in potential jeopardy. Sure there can be reward to purchasing links but theres also risk, and you need to learn how to avoid or at least minimize that risk. For example do you know how to test to see if the site your buying links from has any sort of penalties? Are you clear on the anchor text you want, and the exact url you want that link pointing to? Are you capable of judging a good deal from a bad one?

You need to know exactly what your doing and direct experience is the best way to get that.

For example, I could not imagine taking a site of mine, that I valued, and in one day adding almost 100,000 links to it from a site I didnít know better than I know my wife.

I have a link that I would like to purchase from TLA.
It says:
# of Pages Your Ad Will Appear On: 96400
Is this considered a site wide link?

Take it slow and easy; Just my 2 cents.

mrjohncory




msg:3156455
 6:18 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I believe Google gives priority to aged links (it makes sence too).

That's interesting. I've heard so much about how Google does NOT put a value on the age of a site . . . but the age of a link?

Would be nice for a Googler to comment on that.

Yeah, right. ;)

greenleaves




msg:3156468
 6:31 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google does NOT put a value on the age of a site

Where did you read this? I would recommend researching that some more. If you work on this premise, links are not what you need to worry about.

jakegotmail




msg:3156507
 7:07 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing google does not put value on OLDER sites. just my opinion.

goubarev




msg:3156569
 8:59 pm on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you worked for Google, wouldn't you have some "undercover" people buying links from text link ads? How hard would that be for a large group of people with advanced degrees in logic based disciplines working for a company with a lot of cash to figure out to do? Personally, if I was in charge of spam control at Google I'd even set up a text link ad service just to be able to figure out who is buying and selling ads.

This makes me sick! I almost puked when reading this... The only reason link spam exist is because of Google algo is based on link counts! Hey, listen, Google, if I want to have links on every page of some site, I will! No matter what that ret@#$!ed algo thinks...

Can't wait for Search 2.0 - based on user behaviour, istead of links...

McMohan




msg:3156934
 5:28 am on Nov 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you should buy links, then do it yourself, contacting individual owners. More time, but better outcome.

I would keep it simple. Search for the keyword that is center to your business in Google. Contact sites (except your competitors of course) that rank for that term.
Rule of thumb - As you move down the ranks, your offer price should gradually go down.

JackR




msg:3157229
 1:58 pm on Nov 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would avoid any sites that are 'known' for selling text links - Google is surely aware and would therefore reduce the weight such links carry.

I spend between $5,000 - $10,000 monthly on links and base the purchases on three strict criteria:

1. Age of domain.
2. Number of pages indexed by Google.
3. Number of outbound homepage links.

If the domain is at least three years old, has more than 1,000 pages indexed and less than 10 outbound links on the homepage, you know that any link will carry weight regardless of relevancy or Page Rank.

jakegotmail




msg:3157291
 2:39 pm on Nov 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

jack im curious your thoughts on this.

Alot of times we might have links on a site for several years and our competitors will come behind us and buy links on the site as well. Do you think there is a factor there in place where links that were there first might hold alot more weight then perse a site that comes along 2 years later and obtains links on that site.

Or is it more of the case of once theres a ton of competitor links on a site then there is no value passed to any of the links, since it looks obv. the site owner is selling links.

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