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Too many NO FOLLOW tags . unnatural?
avi wilensky




msg:3066272
 6:34 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am purchasing a text link ad on a homepage that currently has 20 outbounds.

The webmaster does not mind putting rel=nofollow tags on the other links on his site (more link juice for me!)

If there are 19 nofollow's and 1 "follow", will that look unnatural? Will this trigger a paid link flag?

 

Quadrille




msg:3066456
 9:01 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

No.

Links are either follow or nofollow; Google will treat them accordingly.

That does not mean a paid-for link will not be spotted; if you have the same link on every page, and / or the same anchor text on every site you buy links from, then google will have no problem identifying your program.

But the follow/nofollow is not an issue.

glengara




msg:3066498
 9:26 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

*will that look unnatural?*

Yes.

Why would I have 19 nofollow and one without?

idolw




msg:3066570
 10:23 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why would I have 19 nofollow and one without?

according to MC, to demonstrate the other 19 are paid ads and the one the OP bought is the natural one the link seller really wants to link to.

hey, OP! thanks for the cool idea! just need to add 10% to my link budget to bribe link sellers to add no follow tag to my competitors' links :P

avi wilensky




msg:3066580
 10:34 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thus, if an algo spots a homepage with 20 links & 19 have nofollows - this looks natural? Don't you think the algo would detect the webmaster is selling links and not pass juice?

avi wilensky




msg:3066583
 10:37 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thus, if an algo spots a homepage with 20 links & 19 have nofollows - it will assume that this is natural? Don't you think the algo might detect the webmaster is selling links, preventing the site from passing juice? IMHO a page setup like this looks very fishy.

Quadrille




msg:3066599
 10:55 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

In view of the above weird conversation, may I rephrase?

No, it will not look unnatural to Google (which I thought was the question)

Yes, it could well look unnatural to a human being with a nofollow displayer.

Don't panic - just never forget that Google Does Not Like Paid For Links ;)

avi wilensky




msg:3066608
 11:08 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry for the near duplicate post (mods feel free to delete 1)

The fact that the engines hate paid links is a given. If their algo suspects a paid link, the link does not count as a vote.

A few questions:

Why would someone overuse a tag designed solely for the engines, if the webmaster's goal is to divert link juice to 1 page? Does this not look suspicious?

Agree, Disagree, Perhaps?

idolw




msg:3068777
 1:26 pm on Sep 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

why do we always try to overuse stuff?
this topic sounds to me like: "will i not suffer if i create too good content?"

no follow tag was created to tell robots not to follow the links.
google tries to force us to use it if we sell/buy links.

i see nothing wrong about a page that has almost all links on it sponsored. this page makes me money.
just like google do not see anything wrong with MFAs. They do make them money, too.

Quadrille




msg:3068919
 4:00 pm on Sep 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why would someone overuse a tag designed solely for the engines, if the webmaster's goal is to divert link juice to 1 page? Does this not look suspicious?

Suspicious to who? Who cares?

If you are doing something wrong, worry about that and its consequences.
If you are doing nothing wrong, then you have no need to worry.

avi wilensky




msg:3069024
 5:37 pm on Sep 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is not a question of right or wrong. I don't want to get into the whole paid links debate.

My question is: Will the algos consider overuse of the nofollow tag as a method for detecting a paid link, stripping its ability to pass juice?

goubarev




msg:3070254
 1:35 am on Sep 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

As far as I know there is no algo that determines if the link is paid or not. There is only indirect references by Matt Cutts that there might be something somewhere deep in Google that might be looking into that. And all of this is a just a part of their "trying to determine the link schemes designed to increase the PR"...

Nobody here could answer your question, since nobody here would know what excatly goes into determining the PR and in what proportions - never mind the great details as - "no-follow" links, "paid" links (or if they determine that at all), or the ratios of different types of links on the page...

To take it futher, it's hard to tell about the weight of "no-follow" links from experince on other sites - since there are some many more "powerful" factors that effect the rankings and the PR. So if something goes up or down it maybe because of different ratio of links on the page or it maybe because of hundereds of other factors... nobody knows... I bet $1 people at google don't know themselves... :c)

Stefan




msg:3070267
 1:50 am on Sep 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

What Quadrille said.

My question is: Will the algos consider overuse of the nofollow tag as a method for detecting a paid link, stripping its ability to pass juice?

You know, the G algo isn't some sort of artificial intelligence, it's a bumbling mechanical idiot. It's not nearly as sophisticated as some make it out to be. G can't even deal with spammers picking up recently expired domains and doing redirects - you think it's going to spot that? Don't sweat it, man.

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