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Plurals or not for optimisation?
Do I use single words or plurals?
plenusvita




msg:3176204
 9:27 pm on Dec 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey Guys,

Hopefully this is a simple one, sorry if I have missed it in the previous forum chats.

Do I need to use plural words for optimisation or normal single words?

For example - do I use TOYS or TOY - or CARS or CAR?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

plenusvita.

 

Esteban




msg:3178701
 3:00 pm on Dec 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, plurals matter.

Do searchs in Google for toy and toys and see the difference.

jchampliaud




msg:3179136
 9:25 pm on Dec 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

You want to use what ever will move you up highest in the SE. Some keywords are very completive without 's' but less so with it. Look for the niche.

plenusvita




msg:3184039
 3:10 am on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the information guys, much appreciated. Sorry for the delay in getting back to my own thread.
I will use plurals and single words and phrases.

Kind regards.

RedWolf




msg:3179355
 11:49 pm on Dec 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

< System: The following 3 messages were spliced on to this thread from another location >

I haven't checked lately, but I know several years ago, it made a difference in Google. I naturally seem to write my pages using keywords in plural form. I noticed that I was ranking in the top five for plural phrases, but was nowhere for singular. I started concentrating on mixing singular and plural up on the page, and started getting good positioning on both forms.

[edited by: tedster at 5:16 am (utc) on Dec. 10, 2006]

plenusvita




msg:3184037
 3:08 am on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thank you Redwolf, I will adopt this method from now on and see where it gets me.

inbound




msg:3184047
 3:33 am on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here's some real data on plurals:

A site we run was optimised for a singular version of a word a few years ago. Initially it just ranked for the singular.

However it has recently been performing equally well for the plural, even though the plural rarely appears on the site.

The best illustration of this is comparing the single word search for the singular and plural on Google (the word is the generic for an industry sector):

singular = #15 from 9,000,000+
plural = #15 from 10,000,000+

Google (by far the biggest source of SE traffic in the UK) easily deals with plurals and words that have the same base meaning (look up stemming or lemmatization). However, this isn't always the case with Yahoo and MSN.

You can see this behaviour by trying a few searches, try Googling 'walks' or 'walking' and look at the bold words, it's not limited to the exact word.

Walk => Walks => Walking

Also sometimes it goes as far as:

Magic => Magical => Magician

But where does this leave you when optimising?

My advice would be to try and use current stats from PPC or any other source to analyse the most popualar searches, are the singular or plural? Use the words that people are going to use in their searches.

e.g. if someone is looking for a lawyer, will they put in lawyer or lawyers? The answer to this often changes on whether they specify the service required:

defence lawyer in boston

VS

lawyers in boston

I hope that helps, but I guess it may bring up more questions.

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