| 11:00 am on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Best software I used for html in terms of ease.... can someone not buy it off them?
Dreamweaver - to much code bloat last time I looked - and I don't want all the bells and whistles. Why pay the inflated price for lots of things i don't want. I know more than a few others that feel the same too....
| 11:04 am on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Homesite for SEO :) = always yumyum
| 11:40 am on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I have used Dreamweaver since 2002 and have never had any code bloat. I guess it's just because I know how to code by hand as well. :)
| 12:19 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I have used Dreamweaver since 2002 and have never had any code bloat
Ditto, only bloat I ever had with it was when I used its wizard functions to make some asp database code, ergh. Never again!
Normal day to day HTML and CSS use though I find it the best out there.
| 12:33 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Homesite. One of my most used programs. It's search and replace function is priceless.
| 12:38 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I was under the impression that Homesite development had stopped about six or seven years ago. Sure they still sold the product, but it's been at version 5.5 since at least 2003.
| 1:53 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
They have been putting out new Homesite tag definitions updates for new versions of Coldfusion. I guess that won't happen with CF9.
| 2:08 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
IMO version 4.5.2 (before the acquisition) is still the best one.
| 2:15 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I still love Homesite. All the other editors feel pokey even in code mode.
| 2:46 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I'm not surprised, when you consider how long it's been since we've had a heated discussion here about the merits of "hand coding" Web content vs. WYSIWYG authoring tools. These days, the religious wars are about Joomla vs. Drupal or Wordpress vs. Movable Type.
Fortunately, I've still got an old copy of HomeSite that came free with the late, unlamented NetObjects Fusion about 10 years ago. It's still a great alternative to Notebook for editing .htaccess files.
| 2:47 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I thought they killed it when they bought MM. Still use it, will continue to do so until the OS doesn't work with it any more.
|are encouraged to consider the development environment of AdobeŽ DreamweaverŽ CS4 software. |
Like there's a comparison for a hand coder . . . no thank you. DW sits useless on my HD, like a Corvair on the blocks in someone's back yard. :-)
| 3:16 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I use HomeSite on an XP box every day. Well, technically, CF Studio on XP and HomeSite on Win2K.
No plans to "upgrade" any of those.
| 3:38 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
You can still download HomeSite 5.5 off Adobe's website
| 6:14 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Love Homesite, use it every day. Open a DW file in HS, and you'll find 30% of needless code, most of which will never pass W3C validation.
| 6:47 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Note that TopStyle 4, which can be described as a relative of Homesite, is now available. It's got a very impressive feature list. Earlier versions of TopStyle were developed by Nick Bradbury, who originally developed Homesite... and the new version has been developed by Stefan van As, a veteran Windows developer who had worked with Nick.
In the WebmasterWorld Supporters PC Software forum, there's been a discussion about the change in ownership and development of the new release, and how old versions of TopStyle differed from Homesite....
Nick Bradbury gives up TopStyle
I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds like TopStyle might be ideal for HTML and CSS development... perhaps less suited for other types of code editing, though that's not yet clear to me.
| 11:22 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
They are introducing CF9(Centaur) and BOLT(Eclipse based and Standalone) at CFUNITED Soon! I've seen a presentation of both by Ben Forta couple of weeks ago, looks very promising.
-- are encouraged to consider the development environment of AdobeŽ DreamweaverŽ CS4 software. --
I personally have a copy of DW8, I have used it extensively in the past as a text/code editor until one of my co-workers introduced me to Eclipse. It is not a WYSIWYG as DW Or Homesite.
Most of the work I do revolves around ColdFusion/SQL and at this point it is Eclipse(CFEclipse) = FREE = I could copy it to my USB Drive and install it on any other PC by simply copying it to the HardDrive with all the config intact.
So the Evolution for me was HomeSite >> CFStudio >> DW(last time use about year ago) >> Eclipse(for the past 3 years)
| 11:53 pm on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
My evolution was Frontpage > HomeSite > HTML-kit (freeware) > Dreamweaver.
I pretty much only use Dreamweaver's GUI when I want to locate an element in the page. You just select it in GUI mode and switch back to code view. It happens frequently enough that it's actually worth it.
I would never use an aplication to generate HTML code for me in GUI mode though. I need full control.
| 3:09 pm on Jul 1, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Homesite was the best HTML/site development tool ever, imho. There are a couple of almost-as-good substitutes in the Linux world -- Screem and Quanta Plus. Neither is quite up to Homesite at its best but they're close. And, being open source, they're free.
| 10:31 am on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I keep HomeSite+ 5.5 installed on my PC, using it continuously and often.
I don't know why but I don't like other editors like Dreamweaver or EditPlus and can't give up HomeSite.
I also use Notepad++ daily and happy to get updated versions from their Website.
| 1:04 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Been using is since the 1.1 days. Sad that I hadn't upgraded to 5.5 from 5.0 in that now I never can. I'll look again at Topstyle and see if it's for me now. Last time I did, many years ago, CSS was a mystery. I'm now crawling up the CSS learning curve.
| 4:39 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)|
My evolution Frontpage > Notepad for regular html and PHPedit for php. Frankly, I am suprised people are still using GUI for html. I thought the Frontpage bloatware would have killed that off.
| 4:30 pm on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)|
With templates and Libraries in Dreamweaver, I can't imagine a reason for using hand coding, to be honest. Hand coding seems like a heck of a lot of extra work for little return,
The code is pretty clean and, with some minor tweaking in the code, cross-browser and platform. Who cares if the code isn't optimised, as long as the rendered web page looks and works OK? The main reason for slow downloads is bad optimisation of images.
| 6:23 pm on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)|
|Frankly, I am suprised people are still using GUI for html. I thought the Frontpage bloatware would have killed that off. |
Apparently you haven't used FrontPage and other WYSIWYG authoring tools in quite a while.
There's still plenty of bloatware around, but these days, the current term for it is "Content Management System." :-)
| 5:05 am on Jul 4, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Bummer, really ... HS is one of the best editors around. Granted, with all the fan based work out there, we may yet see improvements and expansions come around ;)
| 7:27 pm on Jul 4, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Well ... RIP, HomeSite! it's been a real pleasure up until early 2007, when I switched from M$ to Ubuntu and embraced Aptana Studio.
And I have a copy of the HomeSite kit too, which I will probably never throw away, for pure nostalgic reasons.
| 3:19 am on Jul 5, 2009 (gmt 0)|
RIP HomeSite. You were my favourite HTML editor for many years. I was a HomeSite evangelist back when it was a little-known app from Allaire, before it was purchased by Macromedia. I stopped using it only a few years ago, and I do sometimes miss its fabulous search-and-replace feature.
>> Who cares if the code isn't optimised
(httpwebwitch raises hand)
| 2:35 am on Jul 7, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Still use it. Won't likely retire it for years to come. For hand coding, it just plain beats everything out there. Mass search and replace across multiple files, even directories and subdirectories.
If you've been using it for a long time, and have used it's ability to build in your own code snippets, it just gets more powerful over time.
|Who cares if the code isn't optimised, as long as the rendered web page looks and works OK? |
Poorly optimized code:
- Higher bandwidth costs. The bigger, more traffic heavy you get, the bigger the cost.
- Heavier server load. At the begining, when you've got a small, low traffic site, server load is a none issue. As you scale up, it gets to be an issue. Scale past a certain tipping point, and you'll hire teams of geeks to pour over the code to get rid of every last unnecessary tag and comma
- Heavy code is more likely to break in a browser. Every time the popular browsers update, you have to verify cross browser compatibility.
- Heavy code is more likely to bog down and render slowly in a browser. Not an issue on today's computers, faster browsers, and broadband up the wazoo? Have you ever watched a power surfer open up web pages 20 tabs at a time, with a single click of the centre wheel?
| 8:13 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I don't use Homesite, but it would lead overload to your server...
| 8:38 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Welcome to WebmasterWorld platinumz.
|I don't use Homesite, but it would lead overload to your server... |
How would it do that? Homesite was an editor that was used on the developer's PC, not the server.