swa66
msg:4548057 | 9:48 pm on Feb 22, 2013 (gmt 0) |
It's not because google doesn't do the right thing that they are correct ;-)
Seriouly: you must encode & as & in html (and in xml).
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lucy24
msg:4548087 | 11:07 pm on Feb 22, 2013 (gmt 0) |
In this specific case it will work either way. Try it:
(raw &) [support.google.com...]
(encoded &) [support.google.com...]
Encode it anyway. "The right way" or "a good habit" does not always translate to "the only way that will work".
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swa66
msg:4548108 | 12:36 am on Feb 23, 2013 (gmt 0) |
In all html (also in xhtml5) except for HTML5 you *have* to encode a content &.
Standards ...
HTML5 allows the author to write worse code than it needs to allow. So you can get away with it in that standard provided the characters following the & do not look like an htmlentity - and since HTML5 is now a "living" standard: you do not know what html entities they will invent in the future. So you cannot guarantee that in the future it will not start to "look like" an htmlentity.
A useless thing for lazy authors IMHO. - But HTML5 is stuffed with that kind of thing.
So not encoding every content & in an html document as & is a mistake IMHO - of equal proportion to using < or > in the content that's not encoded as < or > .
Regardless of standards, browsers can recover from the error in many cases but let's assume you write:
<a href="http://www.example.com/file?a=1©=2">
It's an error, but which did you intend
<a href="http://www.example.com/file?a=1©=2"> (insert a copyright sign, that's missing the semicolon ?)
or
<a href="http://www.example.com/file?a=1&copy=2"> (an unescaped ampersand?)
Validators hopefully will continue to flag it as errors.
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Hoople
msg:4548239 | 9:09 pm on Feb 23, 2013 (gmt 0) |
swa66: thanks for posting that.
It's such knowledge sharing that keeps me coming back to read years after the surge of new SEO focused websites that appeared after WW opened its doors.
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lucy24
msg:4548268 | 12:29 am on Feb 24, 2013 (gmt 0) |
| insert a copyright sign, that's missing the semicolon ? |
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Matter of fact, that element of browser helpfulness has annoyed me for a long time. Is the trailing semicolon required or isn't it? If it isn't required, why use it? If it is required-- which makes far more sense because how else would you know when the entity is finished?-- then for pity's sake require it already :)
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swa66
msg:4548272 | 1:03 am on Feb 24, 2013 (gmt 0) |
Browser helpfulness is only perpetuating lazy author's errors. Unfortunately HTML5 has "approved" that as the right way instead of outlawing it one and for all.
(except for xhtml5)
One of the main reasons I aim for valid xhtml1 in the past and polyglot xhtml5 nowadays. The bigger reason is to have the xml toolset to automate things if/when I need them.
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metamax
msg:4549049 | 5:37 pm on Feb 26, 2013 (gmt 0) |
Thanks for the comprehensive replies everyone, very helpful.
Why is it a browser renders the & a m p ; URLs when clicked in a link, but not when pasted into an address bar? That's what caused the confusion in the first place.
I'm going to guess that it's because you're not meant to paste HTML code into an address bar... and expect anything :)
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swa66
msg:4549242 | 10:42 pm on Feb 26, 2013 (gmt 0) |
Your guess is actually quite right.
In HTML, you are supposed to (exceptions aside) to encode any & as & . SO in a <a href=""> or so your encoding works as the rbowser knows it's reading html and will decode the & to & and then use it.
In your address bar: there's no html, so no decoding of htmlentities.
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