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lixsmk1




msg:3975461
 8:36 am on Aug 20, 2009 (gmt 0)


Hi,
i'm a new user and as far as i've read H1 tags are really important in terms of seo....but my developes havent had any built in the website. Is it ok to pay for to get the H1 tag on pages. Apart from that generally how many tags do we require h1 to h6 ? or only h1? please let me know thanks.

 

jbinbpt




msg:3975474
 9:18 am on Aug 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

lixsmk1,
Think of <H> tags like the table of contents for your site.

<H1> is the most important thing you want people to know about your site.
<H2> is a topic heading, like a chapter in a book.
<H3> to <H6> highlight important points that you want indexed.

They actually want you to pay? This should of been part of any developers proposal.

Sometimes people use <H> tags just for styling purposes. Their main use is for indexing. The styling goes along with the content (<H1> big ,bold, most important thing on the page)

lixsmk1




msg:3976262
 8:58 am on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

hi jbinbpt,
thanks, yes that was my impression when i heard that...do we actually have to pay for H1 tags...wow! rip off isnt it. But i've got and idea how important they are for a website.
Apart from that the urls were messed up like &?= so i've asked them to rewrite it and guess what will be charged fir that too. Anyways thanks mate for sharing this with me.

cheers

ogletree




msg:3976281
 9:44 am on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

There is no reason to spend money to have h1 tags put in. They don't play as big a roll as they used to. Be careful reading SEO articles a lot of them are very old. Spend the money to get more links. Also don't spend money on changing url's that is another thing that bad SEO's like to charge for.

tedster




msg:3976524
 5:36 pm on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

They don't play as big a roll as they used to.

That's definitely true, especially on Google.

There are other reasons to have H1 tags - Google is not the entire internet (at least not so far ;) H elements ARE a part of the HTML spec after all. Long term, I think it is a good goal to get the modification made, but not to make an urgent need out of it.

However, Google and other search engines as well, are always testing to see what signals they can take from a page that are helpful. If they find that H1 returns to being a useful relevance signal, it can always make a comeback. In fact, that cycle did happen earlier in this decade.

ogletree




msg:3976538
 5:57 pm on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Your right Ted but the op was wanting to spend money to have H tags put in for the sole purpose of improving search ranking.

tangor




msg:3976574
 7:48 pm on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'd ask the developers why they think an essential tag for ACCESSIBILITY is a separate charge. I'd also demand any monies paid to be returned for FAULTY work. Then again, I'm an ogre when it comes to this sort of thing. I would never pay full for a half-done job.

lixsmk1




msg:3977379
 9:07 pm on Aug 23, 2009 (gmt 0)


thanks all of you. well i have to read and research and ask questions to know more on Seo because if you have people like them working for you then you can imagine what bills you should expect if you don't know anything.
The tags were high in importance at some point and who knows what does the next change will bring to us.so i just dont want to miss any opportunity to get good ranking, many thanks all of you

lixsmk1




msg:3977383
 9:15 pm on Aug 23, 2009 (gmt 0)


ogletree did you mean to say that chaging long urls with lots of trails and / or changing urls which are not human readable i.e having ? and & , = or replacing _ by a - is not worth it? because as far as i knew it helped optimising for se. what are your thoughts anyone else please....

blackfish




msg:3980378
 1:42 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

<H1> is the most important thing you want people to know about your site.
<H2> is a topic heading, like a chapter in a book.
<H3> to <H6> highlight important points that you want indexed.

good !

tedster




msg:3980395
 4:14 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello blackfish - welcome to the forums

I'd revise that first sentence just a bit - <H1> is the most important thing you want people to know about your PAGE.

[edited by: tedster at 8:20 am (utc) on Aug. 29, 2009]

tangor




msg:3980442
 8:06 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Greetings blackfish! tedster is correct, but I'd say it a bit different: <h1> is your PAGE TITLE, which is not to be confused with the <title> section of your code.

h1=title of the specific page/document
h2=major section (you can have several)
h3=sub-section (of any major section)
and because some are really gabby and convoluted:
h4=sub-sub-section (of any major section)
h5=sub-sub-sub-section (of any major section)
h6, h7, etc.

I know I'll get arguments, but that's okay. The above is the way I do it... doesn't seem to bother our standings in the SEs...

That said...

The h tags lend themselves to easy css font styling and are often used in that regard. I don't, but many do. And the SEs have learned to ignore the original semantic reasons behind the h tags. Which only makes it more difficult these days. <h1> does not have the power it used to have as an SEO hint. Just my 2 cents.

</end rant>

tedster




msg:3980446
 8:21 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

The h tags lend themselves to easy css font styling and are often used in that regard.

Oh yeah - with stupid results like an H1 element that says "Buy Now" or "Great Savings". [shudder]

ogletree




msg:3980736
 4:28 am on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Keywords in URL's and H1 tags have almost zero affect on ranking. That is an old strategy that needs to die. There are good reasons to use H tags but not for SEO. In my opinion long url's with lots of keywords or sentences with dashes for spaces can actually hurt your ranking indirectly because some people just won't link to something like that and people will put your links in URL shorteners. WebmasterWorld ranks very well for lots of terms and they don't have long URL's with the page title in them. SEO's need to quit making up stuff to charge people and get to work on getting links. Even if you had a copy of the on page algo your website would never rank for anything without the proper links and proper link profile.

ken_b




msg:3980741
 4:37 am on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

H1 tags have a proper role on the page.

But in the past they have also been abused for SEO purposes.

Because of that history of abuse by others and the possibility that Google may be on the lookout for seemingly aggressive changes for SEO purposes you might want to go slow on making the change.

Maybe just add the H1 tag to a page as the page requires other updating rather than add them to the whole site at one time, especially if it's a larger site.

tedster




msg:3980742
 4:49 am on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

H1 as a ranking factor has an interesting roller-coaster history. It once was a heavy hitter. Then webmasters began to abuse it, and by 2002 Google gave H1 text only about as much power as any other text occurence on the page. They had no choice - they can't use a factor that doesn't actually help them measure relevance!

At a 2002 conference, a Google engineer told me that H2 was still considered a good signal for relevance, even though H1 was not. Since then, the H1's value to SEO has been up and down, but never again as strong as it was in the early days.

As I said above, search engines will use any factor that works for them. Right now, H1 is not working all that well, and keyword in filepath is also not as good as it was. However, there is still reason to use these best practices. Your document may be online for a long time, and having those signals present if they ever become useful to some search engine can't hurt.

If a site's CMS and development architecture make it a major project to add H1 tags to the template, then it may not be worth the effort. But it still is good HTML, and the addition is worthwhile if it can be done without being a major resource drain.

But search engines have moved far beyond the old text match algorithms, so any punchlist forumula approach to SEO (one of these, two of these, etc) is not close to top shelf for today's SEO game.

tangor




msg:3980757
 5:34 am on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Use the H tags as they were originally intended: HEADERS. Won't hurt... these days won't help... but are semantically correct for core document and accessibility. Conversely NO H tags does not seem to hurt, so there's no hurry/need to make the changes.

What I don't get is why a developer (paid employee) would turn in incomplete work...unless they aren't all that in the first place! Just a reminder if you outsource code... get a resume and referrals from other customers of that developer before investing any money with that developer.

One of those live and learn experiences...

lixsmk1




msg:3983384
 2:44 pm on Sep 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

thanks alot for your priceless advice and you are right tangor it is an experience

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