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Google mulls pre-installing Chrome browser
Considering OEM partnerships to boost market share
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Msg#: 3790921 posted 11:54 pm on Nov 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Article: Google mulls pre-installing Chrome browser on computers [technology.timesonline.co.uk]

Google is considering pre-installing its Chrome browser on personal computers in the search giant’s latest challenge to the dominance of Microsoft’s Internet Explorer.

Sundar Pichai, Google Vice President, Product Management, revealed that Chrome will be ready to come out of “beta” testing by January, and that the search giant was looking at ways to make Chrome the browser of choice for the everyday user. "We will probably do distribution deals,” he said, adding, “we could work with an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) and have them ship computers with Chrome pre-installed."

 

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 2:16 am on Nov 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not a bad idea. Chrome is at least as good as IE in most areas and better in others. They'll just have to make sure it can handle all of the banking and shopping sites that for years have (unwisely) built their platforms specifically for IE. Otherwise they may see some backlash.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 9:42 am on Nov 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

They'll just have to make sure it can handle all of the banking and shopping sites that for years have (unwisely) built their platforms specifically for IE. Otherwise they may see some backlash.

May well start a backlash to update their sites to work in Chrome instead...

jrishaw

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 10:21 am on Nov 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

God Forbid a 'webmaster' have to "update" his ``site`` . . .

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 2:03 pm on Nov 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've been pretty happy with Chrome. I put it through the paces with a couple browser testers and it didn't crash. I wouldn't ever fully switch to the browser until it had addons like FF though.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 5:10 pm on Nov 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've been using Chrome almost exclusively. There are still a few bugs that are irritating me. The download manager is flimsy, IMO, and I've had a few crashes. But overall I love it, and updates are coming out pretty regularly.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 2:06 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

One word - spyware

The amount of information that people freely give this corporation is truly staggering to me, and it gets worse every day.

I uninstalled the tool bar several years ago, since it was phoning home everything I did on the web. Chrome will give the big G so much information they will probably know the exact time you shower every morning.

No tin hats here...

D_Blackwell

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 3:20 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Just what every computer needs. More crap pre-installed for 'convenience'.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 4:39 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

I suppose they can mull it over all they want to.

It might be a long while before they actually do, or even can. I know it's still the beta, and I know as well, that Google has quite a bit to go in order to bring it into line with what we've come to expect from a good browser.

Secondly, We don't use Mac, which is most likely who Google plans to bundle with anyway.

The fact that the browser is flat, or otherwise unconfigurable to any extent is going to keep it in a 0.01% market share. Hardly enough to ever consider anything remotely related to pre-install or bundle.

At any rate, I don't think that Chrome is going to bundle with anything related to Windows or Linux at anytime in the future, so there are no plans to ever build for Chrome. (Linux is our next best bet for 2010 and beyond)

If Google can't select, or otherwise write a decent rendering (layout) engine, then chances are that this browser will go the way of Mosaic and so many others.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 5:55 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

The motivation for this is pretty obvious, extend search/social dominance all while getting all of the web surfing data for users' internet behaviors down pat.

I've always used their analytics package free, even though I still very much enjoy looking through log files over a cup of coffee in the morning. They really don't capture with analytics as much data as what really goes on in my sites <tinhat>or they're not reporting it to me</tinhat>.

With a significant browser market share, they could really know what the estimated ROI is for a certain product vendor, and charge accordingly for webmasters' paid campaigns, know what the value really is for a high organic ranking for a given search term, etc.... all under the guise of custom search and usability.

Don't even get me started on Android. (full disclosure: I really do love my G1 though..).

Raheel

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 10:14 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

The pre-installation will work for a certain regions not for whole Globe as IE does.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 11:52 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

I won't/never install it along with their foolbar - G is getting to see enough data from all the other punters installing their spyware they are not going to see what I'm looking at

Samizdata

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 11:57 am on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

We don't use Mac, which is most likely who Google plans to bundle with anyway.

Google hasn't even released a Beta version of Chrome for Mac yet.

When they do, the market share will by definition be pretty insignificant.

Apple already bundles its own WebKit-based browser (Safari) which is full-featured.

Any "challenge to the dominance of Microsoft’s Internet Explorer" must necessarily take place on the (90% plus market share) Windows platform, as that browser is not made for any other.

...

dan404

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 4:59 pm on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm all for it!
IF it makes PCs cheaper go for it!
What's one more piece of bloatware to clean up gonna hurt if it saves me money.
eMachines for one already ships with Google Pack crapware installed(I don't own one, but helped a friend clean his up) there are probably many more.

mcneely

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 5:18 pm on Nov 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

So Googles new bundleware is supposedly going to be introduced into Googles new *operating system?

I've heard rumors, but that's as far as it's gone. We all know how internet rumors go, and if indeed this is true, I'd hate to see an OS that performs as poorly as the Chrome has so far.

When I saw the Mac rendering engine I instantly thought of Mac, that's all, and so far, Linux and Firefox have been pretty successfully joined at the hip in these past few years. So what other kind or type of OS could Google possibly go after short of just creating their own?

A little late for the Google to just jump on board with a new OS I think, even though most that I know are targeting the Linux OS, if not for any other reason than just for the sake of stability, the Linux builds that we've been looking at have already selected their champion in the form of Firefox for the bundle. Google may well indeed run a Linux base for it's OS, but they are light years behind Ubuntu, Fedora and some of the others.

Should be an interesting read nonetheless when they (Google) do decide to show us what's behind the curtain.

As an added note;

It's taken us years, literally, to get around the backweb of the Windows OS ... How many more years will it take to trump the backweb of a new Google OS? Based on the non-configurable Chrome browser, I'd have say, at this point, that there would be absolutely no way one could ever skirt the backweb of a new Google OS.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 1:48 pm on Nov 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

I would never install a privacy removal browser like Chrome. It is fun to watch the sheeple accept whatever comes down the pike as if it is mana though.

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 4:13 pm on Nov 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Switched to Chrome couple months ago and haven't looked back. Fast clean surfing

You're on the internet ..you have no privacy so that's a mute point anyways .

Expect Dell and G within 90 Days

frontpage

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 5:45 pm on Nov 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

So the expectation of privacy on the internet is a forgone conclusion now? Interesting.

So hypothetically, if give away a free applet that monitors all your business and home computer use, that's okay with you - as long as the applet is free.

Google Chrome Privacy Issues Prompts Plea To Google Execs

[informationweek.com...]

dauction

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 7:47 pm on Nov 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

So the expectation of privacy on the internet is a forgone conclusion now? Interesting.
So hypothetically, if give away a free applet that monitors all your business and home computer use, that's okay with you - as long as the applet is free.

Google Chrome Privacy Issues Prompts Plea To Google Execs

[informationweek.com...]

Absolutely.. If you want or expect privacy ,the internet should be the LAST place you should be hanging out

frontpage

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 12:18 am on Nov 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't think you are following the logic. The internet is an important tool for both business and home use. Why should we accept a keylogger installed by a browser to transmit our keystrokes back to a third party to do with as they please?

StuWhite

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 1:40 am on Nov 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I would never install a privacy removal browser like Chrome. It is fun to watch the sheeple accept whatever comes down the pike as if it is mana though.

Perhaps Google should release a crippled version of Chrome and call it Tin.

For those of us who just want to use the fastest, most stable browser and couldn't care less if occasionally it sends some usage stats back to Google, Chrome is an excellent choice. There are still a few enhancements that need to be made but they've made an great start. If nothing else, at least it significantly raises the bar for MS and Firefox.

By the way, I presume you tin hatters don't use telephones or credit cards or anything else that invades your privacy far more than Chrome?

dan404

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 2:01 am on Nov 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

There is a crippled version it's called Chromium.

You don't mention Opera which in it's latest form is in my experience more stable, just as fast and has an excellent track record as far as security.

No tin involved, I still use Firefox.

walkman



 
Msg#: 3790921 posted 3:31 am on Nov 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

You're on the internet ..you have no privacy so that's a mute point anyways .

Sorry but they are different layers of privacy, by going online you don't, or should not, give them all up.

potentialgeek

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 7:47 am on Nov 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't know how Google expects to challenge Microsoft for browser market share, but can't fault them for trying. At least once the bugs are out, they can market it off their home page, even if they can't get it pre-installed on new computers. But they really need to give internet users a good reason to download it. It needs something much more useful and innovative than IE. That should not be too difficult to invent.

p/g

signor_john



 
Msg#: 3790921 posted 9:10 pm on Nov 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't know how Google expects to challenge Microsoft for browser market share, but can't fault them for trying.

I think one critical benefit of Chrome, from Google's point of view, is the way it lets users create application shortcuts on the Windows desktop and run Web applications without the usual browser frame and controls. This makes programs like Google Docs more appealing to users by blurring the difference between desktop and Web applications.

In other words, Chrome isn't about browser market share per se; it's about bringing the "cloud" into the mainstream and eroding Microsoft's ownership of the desktop one app at a time.

Sylver

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Msg#: 3790921 posted 4:02 pm on Nov 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't think Google is out to challenge anyone on the browser market. This part is misdirection. I don't think they really care about that... their ambitions are not that trivial.

Thing about it: They publish the sources under a BSD license. They describe in detail their innovations, how they were made and why... Does it sound like they are trying to compete?

Google realizes that the future lies online, with online applications replacing desktop applications, at which point the OS becomes irrelevant (once people do their computing in Online applications -even when they are off line, any OS will do).

Who is the current leader for online applications? Google.

Their only problem is that, for now, online applications can't possibly compare to desktop applications in terms of performance, in part due to the fact they run in browsers which were not designed for heavy duty program execution.

Looking at things from that viewpoint, Chrome is not a new competitor in the browser war, but a technology transfer operation: They want other players to reuse this technology to make it possible for online apps to challenge desktop apps.

Google already controls Firefox, (they make up 90% of Mozilla Foundation income, and they have a team working with Mozilla on Firefox, if my info are correct) so I doubt they are really interested in competing with Mozilla. What would be the point?

Besides Mozilla managed to gain a 25% market share against an incredibly backward Internet Explorer that didn't handle tabbed browsing. The competitive advantage was so important that they succeeded in breaking IE's monopoly, which would never have happened if Microsoft had been on the ball. But since Internet Explorer added tabbed browsing and produced a reasonably decent version (IE7), Firefox now has to fight hard for each new percent of market share and hasn't made much progress since summer 2007. What chance does Chrome stand to conquer a significant market share? None, in my opinion.

But there are fair chances that their code will be reused to power FireFox (probably has already been done in part with Firefox 3) and perhaps even IE (it's BSD - I don't expect IE to re-use Google code, but they might reuse some concepts, like running each tab on its own process). All in all, they are making progress towards supporting their online applications.

signor_john



 
Msg#: 3790921 posted 6:19 pm on Nov 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Looking at things from that viewpoint, Chrome is not a new competitor in the browser war, but a technology transfer operation: They want other players to reuse this technology to make it possible for online apps to challenge desktop apps.

I think you've nailed it. Chrome isn't designed to be superfast, or to keep one tab from crashing another, just so a user can save a little time when browsing Facebook or reading product reviews at Amazon.com.

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