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Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 released
It's here!
swa66




msg:3126364
 12:15 am on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

[microsoft.com...]

Time to check your sites for compatibility, esp. if you have MSIE 6 hacks in place.

[edited by: encyclo at 12:38 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

 

TinkyWinky




msg:3126967
 1:51 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Vanilla download and all seems fine to me - took about 10 mins all in and everything working 100%.

I presume as users have this auto updated on their systems, live search traffic will go up due to the search tool on the top right hand box?

At least having ditched the G Toolbar, I don't have to worry about that one! :)

CritterNYC




msg:3127012
 2:30 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

If so it will be important to be able to keep checking pages in IE6 as it renders very differently to IE7.

Yes, it is important. Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't know of any instructions for running IE6 in side-by-side mode. I have 5, 5.5 and 7 in side-by-side. Search the web for " Test Internet Explorer 7 Without Installing It". The issue with the approach is that the IF IE7 conditional comments don't work. This makes true testing tough since many of the old IE6 CSS hacks don't work in IE7... yet IE7's CSS renderer is still woefully noncompliant... so conditional comments are the way many are going.

And, yes, we're going to need to test under IE6 for a very long time into the future in addition to IE7. Even with the automatic upgrades within Windows XP, the following users will still be unable to run IE7:

Windows 98/Me Users: 4% of the online world
Windows 2000 Users: 7% of the online world
Windows XP SP1 Users: Some of the corporate world
Anyone who can't get Windows Genuine Advantage to work: a significant percentage of Windows installs

[edited by: CritterNYC at 2:30 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

glitterball




msg:3127025
 2:36 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will be leaving all of the settings on default, as my reason for installing is to know what my sites will look like for Joe Surfer.

I hate cleartype (is that an ironic name or what?). It reminds me of how default fonts look in Ubuntu Linux.

icantthinkofone




msg:3127045
 3:00 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cleartype was created for LCD users so if you are using a CRT that could be the reason you don't like it.

visca




msg:3127051
 3:05 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

So far IE7 hasn't given me any major hassles yet. Some observations...

* The ClearType is horrific and the fact that it is defaulted to ON is disturbing. Yes, I am using an LCD.

* While the toolbar looks cleaner - I am yet to determine whether its usability has either increased or decreased.

* Favorites function is still as archaic and featureless as it has ever been.

* When you increase the zoom to 125% or above sliced images display seams.

* I think it loads slightly faster than the old version, which is a nice direction to take.

While my first impression is that it is an improvement; I cannot help but think this should have been out years ago, it really isn't that dramatic to warrant years of development time.

[edited by: visca at 3:09 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

mrjohncory




msg:3127055
 3:05 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am off to screw up a little-used computer in this office somewhere

Right behind ya. Not my machine, not today.

mcavic




msg:3127060
 3:09 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

While the toolbar looks cleaner - I am yet to determine whether its usability has either increased or decreased.

Decreased. Trust me. The old layout has worked perfectly fine for 10 years.

[edited by: mcavic at 3:22 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

wtkad




msg:3127077
 3:21 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'd been using Beta 3 to test websites and just 'upgraded', if you can all it that. The "runonce" page has so far "runzero", it's given me a "this page cannot be displayed" error twice. What a great way to be introduced to a new browser, right? Other pages load fine.

I've closed and opened it three times, and it's continuing to try and run the runonce page each time. It currently seems to be stuck (no or extremely lagged response when clicking it on the taskbar - I'm posting from Firefox). It does seem to have loaded the title of the runonce page.

I already strongly disliked it from the Beta, and I'm finding myself liking it less with each minute.

europeforvisitors




msg:3127096
 3:37 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Decreased. Trust me. The old layout has worked perfectly fine for 10 years.

I prefer the old layout, too, but let's face it: Old habits die hard. I'd guess that, within a few days, I'll be using the new button arrangements without thinking. (Twelve hours after installing IE7, I'm already having trouble remembering what the IE6 layout looked like.)

The Cricketer




msg:3127108
 3:44 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'd guess that, within a few days, I'll be using the new button arrangements without thinking.

Exactly, it's not as if we're ever going to be using menus and the layouts we've all grown to love in 10 or 20 years time, was it? (or should that have been 2 years?)

My first IE7 experience was brilliant.

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

Most likely causes:
You are not connected to the Internet.
The website is encountering problems.
There might be a typing error in the address.

That'll probably be the second one then, microsoft's page being down...

Hester




msg:3127123
 3:49 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some initial notes:

  • The Favorites Center (sidebar) can only be stretched to 450 pixels wide. In Opera, you can stretch the sidebar as far as you wish, even to the full screen width if you need. (Handy to read long links etc.) Firefox's sidebar can't be stretched as wide as IE7's!

  • The drop-down menu of visited sites only works for the back button. In Opera, I can also use a menu to jump forward to sites I've visited.

  • No fast-forward or rewind buttons.

  • No keywords to open a bookmark (or group of bookmarks) directly! All you get is a shortcut key option, which defaults to CTRL + ALT. (So choosing the shortcut key "d" means to open the bookmark requires pressing CTRL + ALT + d. Compare this to Firefox and Opera, where any letters or words can be set up as a keyword, and typed directly into the address bar to open the related bookmark.

  • If you use a different browser as your default, pressing the shortcut key in IE7 to open a bookmark opens it in your default browser instead!

  • Deleting browser details doesn't remove the back button's drop-down menu entries.

There's a lot more of course, that I've noted on my site in a post about the beta version. Such as screwy scrolling that wasn't there in IE6, mud-like speeds when zoomed in, loads of other faults.

Installation went OK for me though! It only took 5 minutes.

[edited by: Hester at 3:50 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

mcavic




msg:3127140
 4:04 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

it's not as if we're ever going to be using menus and the layouts we've all grown to love in 10 or 20 years time

I honestly don't see why not. Sometimes you hit upon a design that just works.

MatthewHSE




msg:3127153
 4:18 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Firefox's sidebar can't be stretched as wide as IE7's!

Maybe not out of the box, but you can edit userChrome.css to allow a wider width. It's a max-width thing, but I can't remember the exact code right now. But yeah, it's dumb to have a sidebar that you can't stretch out to the full browser width if you want - or say 90% or so, just to keep some of us less alert users from "losing" the viewport entirely! ;)

I'll probably install IE7 on my laptop this evening. I'm going to let my Dad's computer go a few weeks and see what happens with the automatic updates. He'll never know if he gets IE7 or not . . . I've had him on Firefox for years now, he loves it, and hasn't opened IE at all in months.

The Cricketer




msg:3127162
 4:32 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I honestly don't see why not. Sometimes you hit upon a design that just works.

Yep but there's probably going to be an even better way to navigate and use programs in the future and this is just a step to achieving that. Well hopefully. God knows what it is!

encyclo




msg:3127191
 4:48 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

[secunia.com...]
A vulnerability has been discovered in Internet Explorer, which can be exploited by malicious people to disclose potentially sensitive information.

The vulnerability is caused due to an error in the handling of redirections for URLs with the "mhtml:" URI handler. This can be exploited to access documents served from another web site. (...) Secunia has confirmed the vulnerability on a fully patched system with Internet Explorer 7.0 and Microsoft Windows XP SP2. Other versions may also be affected.

Solution: Disable active scripting support.

mattur




msg:3127258
 5:40 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Can you run a standalone version of IE6 (for checking) in XP once you have upgraded to IE7?

Yes, I've got IE7 installed with IE4, 5, 5.5 and 6 all installed standalone and all of them seem to work as expected.

To install IE6 standalone:

1. Download ie6eolas_nt.zip from [browsers.evolt.org...]

2. Extract the files to a new directory

3. Create a shortcut to "iexplore.exe" called IE6

apprentice




msg:3127289
 6:10 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will also have to agree with the fact that the old layout looks more straight forward, probably because we been used to it over the last decade. On the plus side I like the new default fat font.

Also, not sure if that's been brought into discussion before (in which case I apologise) but is IE7 blocking 301s? It didn't work for me for several sites I tried whilst both FF and Opera go through o.k. Another thing which is quite annoying for me is the fact that you only have the option of the online installation. Having the redistributable was much more convenient as I used to keep a backup of all those 'useful' apps in a DVD-RW in case I have to re-install it especially on old PCs or ones that don't have Internet access.

Regards.

kaled




msg:3127298
 6:14 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

RE: [tredosoft.com...]
A word of warning, I just tried running IE7 standalone (as a quick test) and it messed up my IE 6 installation - it kept opening Firefox (my default browser) when I typed in an url, clicked the home button or a link opened in a new window.

So far as my test went (I've ditched IE 7 for now) I could not rearrange toolbars (despite unlocking them) - maybe that's because it was not fully installed. However, more worryingly, I discovered two things.

1) A rendering bug when scrolling - links with display:block were not drawn properly.
2) There may be issues with file downloads. I opened a page that initiates a file download after 2 seconds and the yucky little warning bar appeared.

Kaled.

Tidal2




msg:3127354
 6:58 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Only real change noticed from the 9th Oct 2006 post Beta 3 version of IE 7 is a facility to paste in search engine defaults like country (UK for me) 100 results and so on, only tried this on Google so far - thats on the 'find more providers ...' page by the magnifying glass symbol on the drop down menu.

Generally also like the large display area press 'Alt' key to toggle text menus on or off.

pixeltierra




msg:3127387
 7:24 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

1) If I download IE7 how will I test functionality in IE6?

2) How long is IE6 expected to linger? Years?

Robin_reala




msg:3127406
 7:45 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

1) Standalone IE (see a few posts up), or the MS recommended way which is a VirtualPC installation (or other virtualisation software) and another XP install.

2) Yep, years, but then again only for a small percentage of users. IE7's being pushed out over automatic updates which will convert a majority of users over in one go.

Tidal2




msg:3127412
 7:49 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Personally I don't trust running multiple versions of IE on the same machine, more than likely thats just me. Have a look a previous posts for more information.

IE6 will certainaly linger for many years. I still have the occasionally windows 95 visitor on IE 4 and 1-2% on IE5. Where do you draw the line? If you have access to web logs look there and decide what you consider a significant number of visitors.

Stormfx




msg:3127435
 8:04 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

So far, this application is crappy. The layout sucks. There's no way whatever to customize anything on my installation. All of the options on the context menu -> Customize Command Bar are grayed out. The Lock/Unlock tool bars option is missing completely. And the so-called "Classic Menu" option is non-existent. I don't know if there's some hidden setting that's making these options unavailable, but IE 6 was fine.

And of course, to top it off, CSS is not fixed.

/sigh

[edited by: Stormfx at 8:07 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

CritterNYC




msg:3127445
 8:11 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, years, but then again only for a small percentage of users. IE7's being pushed out over automatic updates which will convert a majority of users over in one go.

Unfortunately, you won't be able to ignore IE6 for a *LONG* time. Windows 98/Me/2000 users (11% of online users). Plus any of the big corporations still on XP SP1. Plus the big corps that hold off on IE7 for a year or more (or indefinitely) due to retraining and incompatibility issues. Plus anyone that can't get Windows Genuine Advantage to work.

JAB Creations




msg:3127538
 9:07 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

The rendering engine will induce seizures due to the MADD bug (Magical Act of Disappearing Divs) on my upcoming (and final) clientside layout that works as far back as Netscape 4, Opera 5, and currently IE 5.01-6.0 (4.0 pending decision). It's WAI AAA compliant and can be used 100% without a mouse.

Also the GUI still sucks more then a blackhole.

Have scientists been able to freeze people and unfreeze them in the future? I'd like to come back out around 2015 when IE8 comes out.

- John

[edited by: JAB_Creations at 9:08 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2006]

Rugles




msg:3127552
 9:16 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I like it, not exactly the greatest thing since canned beer, but its alright. Love the tabs feature the best because I always have about 10 browsers open at any given time.

I can see I am going to have to work at my rankings with live.com now that everybody will have it in front of their face all day.

bcolflesh




msg:3127564
 9:23 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Installed fine, works fine for me - I like the minimalist GUI and the tabs that Firefox has already trained me to use - keeps whatever your current Search reg entry is already set to, Google in my case.

dauction




msg:3127587
 9:49 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I like it..

Nothings perfect .. runs fine . You can nit pick your life away but man your going to have one miserable life if thats all you ever do ;)

bobothecat




msg:3127655
 10:34 pm on Oct 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Installed it this morning... took a few adjustments, but I think it's fine.

vincevincevince




msg:3127885
 2:23 am on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Question
How can I put the menu (which you obtain by right-clicking the toolbar and ticking 'menu') above the address bar?

bcolflesh




msg:3127939
 4:04 am on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reg hack to move the menu back to the top:

[tech-recipes.com...]

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