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Adobe Photoshop Express Launches
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msg:3612417
 4:55 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Flickr and Facebook allow you to share photos online, and desktop programs like Picasa, iPhoto and Photoshop Elements let you make the pictures look good before you upload. But starting today with its new Photoshop Express site, Adobe is putting the two together.

After signing up for the free site at www.photoshop.com/express, members can upload their images and then edit them with Adobe’s simplified set of point-and-click controls for red-eye removal, cropping, exposure, saturation and other functions. Users can group images into Web albums and post them to popular social networking sites, all from within Photoshop Express.

Adobe Photoshop Express Launches [nytimes.com]

 

zett




msg:3613071
 9:25 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

I suggest to be VERY careful when agreeing to the TOS, especially to their more elaborate General Terms...

Quote from https://www.photoshop.com/express/terms.html

8. Use of Your Content.

Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

Bad deal for photographers IMO.

weeks




msg:3613210
 12:31 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Zett, all #8 is saying is if you post the pics in the public area, you give up the rights to them. Otherwise, you're safe. The prime reason for this clause is to make it clear that if you send a great pic to the world on this web site, they can't help it if everyone takes it. That's just the way it is.

I tried the new service last night and it's pretty cool. What's great about this is that you can point your family members to it who want you to "Photoshop this" for them. Now they can do it themselves! Rejoice.

From a technical point of view, the free online Adobe Photoshop is some kind of tour de force. How this is going to make them money is not entirely clear to me, but if you've got specific traffic with a great service and there is an ad market (such as cameras), this could be a very popular place to buy ads. If you wanted to make the case for "free" being the new price of services on the web, this might be it.

zett




msg:3613249
 1:04 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

all #8 is saying is if you post the pics in the public area, you give up the rights to them. Otherwise, you're safe. The prime reason for this clause is to make it clear that if you send a great pic to the world on this web site, they can't help it if everyone takes it. That's just the way it is.

Sorry, but I disagree.

Adobe does not worry about anyone else taking your images. That's not part of this paragraph. They do not need to cover for this. No, it's all about *Adobe* using the images you submit to the public service. THEY may do whatever they want with your photos.

Clearly, in order to just show (publish) a photo taken by me on their public service, they could have used much more sensible language, restricting the possible uses by Adobe to the bare necessity. I do not see why I have to grant them such a wide licence (that basically lasts forever, even beyond the time of the image being hosted on their service, or me being member of the service) in order to have a photo displayed on their service.

E.g. - should they decide to create a DVD-ROM ("The 1000 Finest Photoshop Express Photos, Vol. 1") tomorrow and sell it for $9.95, they'd be covered by this licence. They would not even have to ask you for permission, or share the revenue/profit with you.

I hold on to my previous statement that this is a bad deal for photographers.

baze22




msg:3613439
 3:29 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

I hold on to my previous statement that this is a bad deal for photographers.

I agree 100%. Don't know how a person could read it any other way. I read it as "We don't claim to own your work, but we have as much right to do what we want with it as you do. Co-owners (minus the profit sharing), if you will." I've read elsewhere (photography site) that they are reworking this section of the TOS. Can't believe they thought this would skate by unnoticed...

Clark




msg:3613465
 3:49 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Can you clarify one thing. If you don't post an image you manipulate on their free service to this public site you're talking about, do they still have the rights to it? IOW, is any part of this service worthwhile?

whoisgregg




msg:3613489
 4:15 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Some of the Photoshop Express tools like Pop Color should be added to the real Photoshop. And the automated methods of accessing a lot of these tools should also be available.

It strikes me as odd that their free online version is better in many ways than their expensive desktop version.

LifeinAsia




msg:3613532
 5:03 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think it's pretty clear that they are saying "If you don't want to allow us to recoup some of the money that we are paying out of our pockets for this FREE SERVICE PROVIDED TO YOU, then don't use our free service. You are completely free to spend your own money to buy your own copy of Photoshop and pay for your own server and bandwidth."

ambellina




msg:3613763
 9:30 pm on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Some of the Photoshop Express tools like Pop Color should be added to the real Photoshop.

I have a feeling I'm going to have a Pop Color addiction. I used one of the PE "example" pictures from the free trial set and made it Pop pink... then I flipped out like this: O.O "zomgsooocuuuuuute!"

Can't wait to get to my home PC and pinkify everything my heart desires!

marcel




msg:3614796
 4:42 pm on Mar 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

8. Use of Your Content.

Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.


Apparently, Adobe is planning on removing this clause after complaints, more info at theregister.co.uk

limbo




msg:3615606
 7:18 pm on Mar 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am a little underwhelmed. I suppose I was expecting something more like its big brother. Maybe I am missing the point, but wasn't this supposed to be step toward taking their tools' power online?

PS-Express just has too many limitations - at the moment it can just about compete with Flickr, but is not breaking new ground in terms of out-put or functionality.

If they could author at least some kind of layer/selection tools I think the design community might be a little more interested. For now it's got too many (better established) competitors - IMO.

  • If you want to edit your own Photos on a budget then you can't beat Photoshop Elements ($99).
  • If you want to do it for free use Flickr as the sharing/support/album tools are far superior and the editing tools are only just a whisker behind.
  • If you need do do anything that requires more than a modicum of complexity for print then you need to invest in the real thing.
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