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Tired of AdWords Quality Score

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Msg#: 4244956 posted 6:37 pm on Dec 21, 2010 (gmt 0)

I used adwords at the very start - used goto.com from the start so I am not dumb. I am in a new business now.

I followed all the rules but my ads only get an average of 3/10 sometimes lower and sometimes higher - I am not black hat - white hat - don't want to take any chances.

I want to give you my money but I feel like this is SEO - my ads are spot on.

Why does Google get so tough - semi tough on spam ads is good but this is out of control. I will spend my time on bing/yahoo/facebook - will never give up on Google (no choice) but for now I'm going to put this off...

Hey Google - why not charge .10 to re-evaluate a quality score....10 each time I make a change to a page instead of making me wait a "hidden" amount of time - sure be tough with your organic listings but calm down - take it down a notch for PPC



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Msg#: 4244956 posted 4:59 pm on Dec 29, 2010 (gmt 0)

I completely agree. The whole quality score issue has turned into a farce. It is advertising - let people buy it.

I rarely just check one ad on AdWords, and rarely is the top 3-4 ads the one I end up going with when I actually purchase. I mainly use adwords for prouct research.


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Msg#: 4244956 posted 10:56 pm on Jan 4, 2011 (gmt 0)

When a man is tired of AdWords, he is tired of life?

As Samuel Johnson once said.


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Msg#: 4244956 posted 3:46 pm on Jan 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

I agree with Brett. The quality score factor is completely overboard. I understand for relevancy purposes, why they have a score. But the extent to which the score dictates whether you can even advertise on their system or not, is completely over the top. I know legitimate businesses who have gotten slapped on Adwords, just because their algorithm doesn't like the site (for some reason). Those same businesses can advertise anywhere and everywhere else they want, with no issues whatsoever. At some point, doesn't Google understand people pay to advertise, so let them?


Msg#: 4244956 posted 4:00 pm on Jan 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

Well, QS is a way for Google to make more money, increase clicks as well as keep users. It is used as a competitive advantage and also is used in order to determine relevancy which is a huge factors and must be optimized throughout all processes.

I'd say QS is a definite difficulty for advertisers but it's a necessity and SO powerful for you if you have high QSs throughout your campaign - you can beat out all competition quite quickly.

QS = tedious AdWords management but it's cool


Msg#: 4244956 posted 5:03 am on Jan 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Also, on the down with Google side of the argument:I think that since the advent of QS users have been paying closer attention to their keywords average CPC vs position and working with bids more to attain the traffic levels they want - great that users are more involved with their advertising, BUT - this closer attention has meant that users have become more competitive and will push up bids more in the past to attain certain positions.

Also, on a related but slightly different note, in my personal experience it seems that the landing page has a great deal to do with QS - just as much if not more so than the CTR - this can be seen when starting new ad groups and the opening QS that Google gives you - if my pages title, URL and meta tags match closely with the keywords and ads then the QS will start at 7, if not then 3 and even if a high CTR follows it is a nightmare to raise that 3 to above a 5.
What are others experiences and ideas on how much of a contributory factor landing page plays?


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Msg#: 4244956 posted 6:15 pm on Jan 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

My 2 cents to this thread... of course quality score a factor you need to focus on, manage and constantly keep under control.

Starting from October there were 2 or 3 issues about quality score, like Google was trying to update its algo and rolled back more than one time.

Another interesting post I read in December (maybe in SearchEngineLand, but I am not sure) is that comparing recently a lot of campaigns and accounts a company realized that the differences between a quite good quality score like 7 compared to lower values like 4 or 3 weren't so sensible to CPC increase like in the past and low quality score ranked very well on top positions.


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Msg#: 4244956 posted 7:49 pm on Jan 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

It was fine a few years ago when I didn't have much work to go along with the traffic I brought in. But now that I run actual stores, it's just tedious and time consuming. I'm not going to spend hours on end tweaking ads and pages to make them happy. I have products to order/ship, customer service, and other things to deal with. Just never understood why they wanted to make this a hassle for business owners.

I know some people believe that they are trying to push out small business owners in favor of large ones, and maybe there is some truth to it. I've had years of experience with Adwords and still don't understand what they're looking for. Can't imagine a complete novice trying to run a campaign for their store.

Just make it simple. Just let me advertise or not. Don't give me these arbitrary numbers that frequently change for no specific reason that can dramatically effect my traffic. I can't think of any other form of advertising that makes you jump through so many hoops.


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Msg#: 4244956 posted 5:37 pm on Jan 17, 2011 (gmt 0)

They deliberately make advertising much more convoluted and difficult than it needs to be. They like people to think they are OZ, magical and mystical. And they are arrogant. You either play by their rules or you don't play.


Msg#: 4244956 posted 12:26 pm on Jan 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

I think there is a misunderstanding here that costs you a lot of time: landing pages have very little to do with quality score. They are only relevant in determining the minimum bid you have to pay. After that, for position and the price you pay per click, landing pages are completely irrelevant.

You can verify this on the AdWords help pages: "For calculating a keyword-targeted ad's position, landing page quality is not a factor."

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