| 2:10 pm on Jul 21, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Bad luck .. What else can we say. These days luck plays a big part with adWords.
| 2:10 pm on Jul 21, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Well you already did one thing - you attempted to game them by creating another account in someone else's name. There are all kinds of footprints they can use to figure this out.
At any rate, don't take it personally; they don't *have* to do business with you if they don't want to (and you don't have to do business with them either) just find another way to drive traffic.
| 1:48 am on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Join the club.
Google thinks differently and does not need your money. They have all the money they need and are going to change the world into their way of thinking.
Besides, they want to be the middle man instead of all these pesky affiliates.
They didn't buy their own affiliate network for nothing.
I think there is a good case for discrimination against a certain class of businesses. (Affiliates)
The FTC needs to be made aware of Google's evil plan to completly take over commerce on the web. ;)
| 4:00 am on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
When you signed up, did you do so on a totally different computer?
People open second accounts every day. Who cares if Google says you can't? Are you kidding me..
If you do it correctly, there is no way Google can figure out it was you unless you used something in the process that ties you to the other account.
But, forget about Google and playing their silly games. They are digging their own grave by turning away advertisers willing to pay them. The tide will turn and they will be sorry.
| 11:26 am on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Hmmm. Don't try to trick them, and don't break the rules.
What else is there to say?
| 1:49 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|Hmmm. Don't try to trick them, and don't break the rules. |
Well, if they already kicked you out for an affiliate site, what difference does it make if you break their stupid rules?
All they can do is cancel the account again.
There are affiliate marketers that have numerous adwords accounts just for this reason.
The problem is Google don't like affiliates, so even if you do open a new account and promote affiliate offers, it is likely to be shut done again sooner or later.
Like I said, forget about Google. They will get theirs in the end.
| 3:12 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Look arizonadude, we get it. You got kicked out and you're bitter. I'm sorry for what happened, but enough already. The horse is dead.
| 4:50 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|Look arizonadude, we get it. You got kicked out and you're bitter. I'm sorry for what happened, but enough already. The horse is dead. |
What's your issue? I could give a crap less about Google. The original OP was asking about opening a second account I was offering information as well as asking what he did that might of tipped them.
I know the horse is dead with the account I got kicked, but I'm not a pansy and feel as if oohh the big Google told me don't apply for another one.
Why do you bother posting if all your going to do is tell people crap like, oh don't break the rules la la.
He wasn't asking for what you were telling him. Not everbody bows at the alter of Google.
I'll have a new account up and running for Christmas, then I'll quite using it. Wash, rinse and repeat.
So do you really get it Netmeg?
| 5:11 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|How the HECK did they know? |
That certainly is the key question here.
The other day I came across an interesting research project that claimed to identify individual computers without cookies just by analyzing O/S, browser, screen sizes, fonts, and some more data that is sent by the browser as part of the page request.
I tried it myself, and yes, IIRC my computer setting was unique in a database of 600,000+ computers. Scary. (Unfortunately, I did not bookmark the site, so I can not reproduce a link.)
So actually, you should not even use the same computer to sign up for a new account.
| 5:25 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
My issue is that you are trolling the forums slamming Google at every opportunity. It's just about the only thing I ever see you post anymore.
| 7:46 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|So actually, you should not even use the same computer to sign up for a new account. |
This why I asked if he used the same computer. If you have covered all the bases and use a different computer, there is no possible way for them to associate it to a previous account.
| 8:03 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
yep. I used the same computer. Thanks for the awesome tip! Here's a question...
Should I use a new webhosting account when I create a new domain? Can they track this?
I have a main domain with several add on domains. When I create a new domain for Google I simple create an dad-on domain.
thanks so much guys for your support and help. You have no idea how much it means to me.
| 8:35 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
You need to use a diffent everything. There can be nothing that will tie you to the expired account. So yes, that means do not use an add on domain and just for good measure make sure the domain you use is privacy protected.
Google is a registrar but they can not see the underlying privacy info unless it's registered through them.
So, pretend like you where just born and everything you use will be new including the content.
Rewrite it and beef it up a bit so that if you pulled the affiliate stuff, it would stand on it's own. That will at least give the site legs for a while.
| 8:54 pm on Jul 22, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Is this it? Panopticlick [panopticlick.eff.org], an EFF project.
| 4:41 am on Jul 23, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Yep, exactly. Thanks for the heads up. Site is now bookmarked.
Interesting - I seem to have covered my paths quite well, because the system now (some 400,000 computers later) identifies me again as unique though I did the test then and now from the same system. One reason might be that I have updated the browser since the first test (and this seems to be one of the parameters used for identification of a user).
| 5:09 am on Jul 23, 2010 (gmt 0)|
They can probably check for cookies in your browsing history from various Google network sites.
| 1:18 am on Jul 25, 2010 (gmt 0)|
When people feel that it's OK to FORCE a company to do business with you, what does it say? Or is it just that cheating is ok these days? Or what?
...legitimate honest affiliate marketers must curse these kinds of conversations as being bad for all.
Thank goodness a few of you aren't my customers. Can't figure out who would want to have customers who have no intention of following reasonable business practices, and agreements.
| 1:44 am on Jul 25, 2010 (gmt 0)|
No one understands until....it happens to you.
You think google banns people simply based on "reasonable business practices, and agreements." haha dont be naive.
They are an arrogant superpower who does what they please...
Why do you think their terms of service are so vague? Its almost like reading a horoscope...you can apply their TOS to ANYTHING.
Keep thinking google is your friend. Keep trusting them to have YOUR interest at heart. buuwaaahahaha!
Silly humans. When are they gonna learn.
Its US against the machine.
| 6:30 am on Jul 25, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Well, they decided they did not want your business in the first place, so then you try to game google and when they catch it you complain? Google has made it very clear about affiliates being an added value to consumers. It's not us against machine, it is about google making their services for consumers better. What is so wrong about that?
| 12:49 pm on Jul 25, 2010 (gmt 0)|
More entitlement issues. You're not owed. Google doesn't have to do business with you.
If your first instinct upon adversity is to try to game your way back in, or break the rules, or vow revenge - that's probably not an advertiser I'd be comfortable with either.
Also, it's probably unhealthy to take this sort of thing personally. Google isn't singling you out because they don't like you personally. They just choose not to be in whatever business you're in with you.
| 11:25 pm on Jul 25, 2010 (gmt 0)|
The only problem is Google has a monopoly on search for the time being. So that means adwords can drive a lot of traffic to a site. Sure, that is going to eventually change, but for now itís part of life.
Having been an Adwords advertiser since 2003 and suddenly out of nowhere Google decides to ban my account because I had some affiliate links on some of my domains, then tells me to correct the problem with domains and ads that no longer exist is the part I take issue with.
Iím in business to make money just like Google is. You would think that would be a good relationship but they have decided they donítí want me. OK, I get it but do I care? NopeÖÖ
Iím going to game the crap out of Google as much as can and there is not a thing they can do about it. There is no law that says I canít and as far as Googleís stupid rules, well they all know what they can do with them.
I also realize there are people who worship at the altar of Google daily, and I actually used to be one. But, your day will come when for some unknown reason you find yourself in a similar situation. I used to say it wouldnít happen to me too, so donít think it canít. Fortunately for you, by then Google probably wonít have such a monopoly on the search.
There are very few people on this board that I would take advice from and none of the ones supporting Google in this thread are on that list.
The original poster asked a specific question about something and did not ask for a bunch of Google slaves to jump in and spew their garbage about whatís right or wrong so go start your own thread about how much you love Google and how they will always cherish you and treat you fairly. We get it, you love Google but go tell someone who cares.
| 2:05 am on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
That's great that you are going to game them as much as you can. Great business advice. I am sure it will take you real far in life.
I do not worship google, they provide a service. I do not even use adwords for my own products I sell. If you do not believe me do some research on my sites.
But I do shop a lot online and I am glad that google is removing the questionable advertisers and making life easier for me to be able to find a good or service I would like to purchase. In my opinion, google has not went far enough yet because I still see a bunch of questionable ads out there. But I am sure they are a bit overwhelmed because of all the people who try to game them.
| 2:24 am on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
@arizonadude You're a trip dude. Let it go and move on...
With your attitude you were a ban waiting to happen.
Enjoy flippin' burgers for a living. You're suited for it.
| 3:51 am on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|@arizonadude You're a trip dude. Let it go and move on... |
uhhh... I did let it go. I was trying to help the original poster with his question. It's you people that need to let it go.
We get it, you never cheated on a test in your life or cut in line and never ever break the rules. So you have nothing to offer the original poster who asked the question about "breaking the rules" other than don't do it.
Again, get over yourselves and move on. If he would of started a thread about how not to break the rules, then you would be in the right place, but that is not what the post was about now was it.
| 3:58 am on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|That's great that you are going to game them as much as you can. Great business advice. I am sure it will take you real far in life. |
So I should pack up my marbles and go home because Google don't like me anymore, ya right.
Considering I've been working for myself since 1999 making a living from the Internet, I think I'll be getting along just fine in life without the advice of Google do gooders.
You people just need to get over your holier than though attitudes.
| 3:47 pm on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Nobody's saying that. This anti-google propaganda you're spouting off at every turn marks you as someone with their own agenda though. If you'd lighten up a little bit you'd probably find a more receptive audience. Or at least one that's not going to discount you completely. Like me.
|So I should pack up my marbles and go home because Google don't like me anymore |
That's where you spin off so far out in left field that it makes it all but impossible to take anything you say seriously. Netmeg is a known adwords expert and by all rights should be a mod on this board, although she probably wouldn't take it.
|There are very few people on this board that I would take advice from and none of the ones supporting Google in this thread are on that list. |
You'll run out of friends social security numbers you can use eventually. Or one of your so-called "friends" will turn on your ass and you may very likely face criminal prosecution for fraud. In the joint you'll meet Brutus and become best friends. No internet access in the pokey dude. Think about it.
|Iím going to game the crap out of Google as much as can and there is not a thing they can do about it |
You got caught. You're done. Again, move on.
| 4:07 pm on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|Netmeg is a known adwords expert and by all rights should be a mod on this board, although she probably wouldn't take it. |
I'm actually an expert myself so I really don't care what nutmeg is.
I still manage accounts for clients that I have managed since Adwords started.
Yes, I bashed Google since I was mad that they shutdown an account after asking to make impossible fixes to sites and adgroups that had not been running for a long time.
I did try to offer the original poster an answer to his question which is what I thought this forum was about so I offered my advice to the poster and will now leave this thread and let the poster make up their own mind as to what course of action to take.
| 6:04 pm on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
In all fairness Netmeg started a thread just a week ago complaining she couldnít get support from Google. Now Netmeg is back complaining about the people who complain about Google. Gimme a break. Is this one of these things where I can complain but others canít?
Arizona Dude did offer an alternative and nobody says you have to like it. If youíve got better ideas offer them up. Quite frankly when I see hundreds of clones like freewarecom composed entirely of Adword ads I donít think Google has any real respect for anybody or any guideline as long as it makes them money.
| 6:29 pm on Jul 26, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Whoa, did you miss the point. But there's no use beating dead horses.
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