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Lowering ad Words Campaign Costs
peeky

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 2:34 pm on Jul 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

I was talking to a competitor of mine and he told me I should start doing ppc. I do very, very well organically. Most important here is he said that initially my cost for ppc will be very expensive but after 6 months of solid ppc advertising google lowers my cost of advertising. For example he says:

His cost for a ppc term is now only .60 cents for the #1 position where my cost for the same #1 position would be $3.60 because I am a newbie. Is this true. That over a 6 month period google lowers the cost of ppc to their big spenders - and what is the definition of a big spender to acheive this great savings over time?

Thanks,
Newbie

 

James_WV

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 2:57 pm on Jul 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi Peeky,

No, what your competitor told you isn't true.

What he's actually talking about is Quality Score - a better Quality Score means better positions for lower costs - and a good Quality Score doesn't necessarily take 6 months to achieve.

Quality Score is based around:

Relevancy - followed through account structure (down to keyword level), to ad text, to landing page.

CTR - the major factor here - a good CTR compared to your competitors is essential to build a good QS. However, CTR isn't measured over just 1 / 2 impressions - it takes a fair amount to be measured for QS - which does mean that usually you need to bid quite high at the beginning just to get good enough positions to build a CTR rate

Landing Page Quality - I usually make sure I have a landing page geared to each ad group.

Account history - you don't have this yet so no need to worry about it

Keyword - when you first start off you'll be assigned an initial QS - this is usually based aroudn your other competitors on a KW - i.e. if everyone has a low QS then you may well start off with a 2. I've started with anything between 2 and 7 before.

Organics are great and are definitely more profitable than PPC - BUT PPC is also very profitable (for the accounts I manage anyway!), and you may as well not lose out on the profit that is there to be had.
On top of this, PPC and SEO work very well together and each one can help to drive the other...

My suggestion to you would be that if you have a good budget then you should get a PPC manager involved - adwords can be can be a great way to make a lot of money, but equally it can be a great way t lose a lot of money quickly.

If you're on a smaller budget then read as much as you can on these forums and the Google guidelines and then start off quite small until you get the hang of things...

peeky

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 4:02 pm on Jul 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thank James for responding.

So you are saying the CTR is the key. Need to develop a good CTR. And Google will charge me only i.e. 60 cents for a #1 position in time vs. a newbie going for the same #1 position for the same keyword but the newbie will be charged $3.60?

I understand there are other factors. I am just amazed how much of a difference 2 different people can pay for the same positition/keyword!

Account history - you don't have this yet so no need to worry about it - how does this help?

Thanks,
Peeky

eWhisper

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 5:39 pm on Jul 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Your ad rank (where your ad appears in the search result) is a combination of your quality score times your max CPC. The higher the number, the higher your ad will appear in the search results.

CPC x QS = ad rank

Therefore, to achieve a higher ranking you can either improve your quality score or increase your max CPC.

Due to many moving factors, there is no way to say definitively that if you get to X quality score you will only pay Y.

You actually pay for each click individually, yet you see in your account what the average CPC of all those clicks were.

For instance, your performance in a specific geographic region comes into play. Therefore, if you did very well in New York, and poorly in San Francisco, you could pay $0.30 for a click from New York, and $0.70 for a click from San Francisco giving you 2 clicks for the cost of $1 or an average CPC of $0.50.

eWhisper

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 5:41 pm on Jul 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

And one important note. Appearing higher is not necessarily better.

You should find a way of measuring your conversions and set bids not based upon being higher in the search results, but based upon the returns from your AdWords account.

LucidSW

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 7:18 pm on Jul 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

> No, what your competitor told you isn't true

I concur with James and eWhisper.

[edited by: bakedjake at 12:58 am (utc) on July 30, 2009]
[edit reason] tos 13, please and thank you [/edit]

James_WV

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 2:21 pm on Jul 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, CTR is the most important factor in your Quality Score - but everything else must be taken into account.

I don't know about 60cents Vs $3.60 for the same position - I guess it's possible, but the difference in amounts per click can definitely add up - especially if you have a lot of keywords and / or they're high traffic keywords

Also, just as eWhisper says, 1st position isn't always necessarily the most profitable...

brandmaker

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 2:46 pm on Jul 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

How about if the product description on the landing page is a standard description the manufacture wrote and almost every webshop are using - will that affect QS?

Also, how long should the description be (how many words)?

LucidSW

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 3:24 pm on Jul 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

If your ad's copy gets more people (or less) to click on your ad, your QS will be affected.

brandmaker

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 9:24 pm on Jul 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I was just thinking about the landing page in this case. I've been using Adwords with great success in many years, but now I'm trying to use it on a new OsCommerce site and are suddenly having huge problems with fresh keywords for my account.

The text on the landing page isn't unique - could that be the problem?

LucidSW

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 7:46 pm on Aug 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Stop concentrating on trying to "fix" your landing page. Assuming your have keyword-ad-landing page relevance, the way to improve your QS is to improve your CTR and that means getting more people to click your ads.

brandmaker

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 10:42 pm on Aug 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Today I've actually managed to bump up from 3/4 to 5/6 on many keywords by re-writing the text, using more <h1, <h2, <h3 and <b on keywords, and writing more campaign specific titles and descriptions.

Doesn't look better, but if that what big G wants....

Now maybe I can get the ads to actually run (without going bankrupt paying $3+/click) and hopefully get a good CTR - which can improve the QS futher.

CWebguy

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 3:37 pm on Aug 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

By description do you mean meta description?

Thanks.

James_WV

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 9:00 am on Aug 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hey Brandmaker,

The best way to improve your QS is to increase your CTR, but if you're convinced it's your landing page try:

Including your best keywords from the relevant ad group in your metatags

Include the keywords in your content (what you've already done with the H1s is a good idea)

Get a couple of links with these keywords fired into the landing page - it'll help your seo but Google does include this in landing page QS (a bit)

Also - where is Google telling you you need to improve your QS - i.e. is it saying your landing page Quality is low?

eWhisper

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 12:24 pm on Aug 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Landing pages are tricky. A bad landing page can negatively affect you more than a good landing page can help you.

However, there is not 'good' and 'better' landing page. There is relevant and non-relevant.

In the ad group you are trying to optimize for quality score, however over the icon that brings up the quality score info. Do this for a handful of keywords (usually your lowest QS, highest spend, and highest converting words) and see if Google tells you the landing page is relevant or non-relevant.

If it's relevant - don't worry about the landing page.
If it's non-relevant; you need to fix the page before raising your CTR will do you much good.

netmeg

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 2:03 pm on Aug 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

however over the icon

hover?

eWhisper

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 12:09 pm on Aug 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Good catch - it should be hover not however.

RhinoFish

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 1:11 pm on Aug 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

every day i see this thread's title...

Lowering ad Words Campaign Costs

and i come in and it's not really about that.

but i've got this itch to say something, every time i see that darn title...

increased segmentation.

whew, i feel better now. back to work.

Raheel

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Msg#: 3961792 posted 7:28 am on Aug 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

Landing page load time also need to be consider when building up your QS

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