| 4:37 pm on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I've signed to the waiting list and think that this is a very interesting development. Does anyone know if it is a US only beta? I assume not since I was allowed to register my interest.
| 6:12 pm on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|related searches for a particular site |
hope it'll be accurate
[edited by: Miamacs at 6:12 pm (utc) on June 24, 2008]
| 8:15 pm on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Miamacs, it will be "the truth." And, if it's not "the truth" you know as the truth, well, too bad. You'll have to adopt to a new truth.
This is what the search engine is suppose to do, isn't it? I mean, gee, if you're selling widgets, all you have to do is type in "widgets" into Google and the top web site are the top web sites. That's where you put your ads, right? Simple.
OK, not so simple. Gonna be interesting.
| 8:53 pm on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Does anyone have an opinion as to whether or not this will materially impact Comscore's business?
| 9:55 pm on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Would I be right or wrong in saying this is a great tool for finding where to buy links?
Also are they using data from Analytics people that opted to share their data?
God the never stop do they?
| 11:26 pm on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
So I guess G will be able to profile your site far better on this if you're using Google Analytics, so if you want to be profiled, you'll be wanting to use GA.
| 6:46 am on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|Does anyone have an opinion as to whether or not this will materially impact Comscore's business? |
It will and Nielsen Online's too. I fear Google is now getting too monopolistic in the advertising world online and offline - and this is not good for any business. The worst to suffer will be the small advertisers.
| 8:37 am on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Yes big G is getting bigger and sooner or later will shoot themselves in the foot by getting too big. However that's probably not going to happen anytime soon...
Gs new service seems like a natural progression in their marketing plan and will make sense to alot of people. The thing is that no other company has access to the amount of personal data that G does so there's not much competition out there.
I'm signing up... sounds like an interesting tool
| 1:17 pm on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
> this will materially impact Comscore's business?
Yes - it's dead dude [finance.google.com]. That is an EX company (insert dead parrot sketch here). Comscore is in the dark ages compared to what Google can offer.
| 1:47 pm on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I have been talking/informing/educating people about what Google probably knows about our sites and us personally for a few years. This is not a call-to-action, a warning, or a bust up - it just is. I shut up about it, when Jake referred to one of my posts about it as a little too close to a tin foil rant. I am not going to do one now, but I am flat footed stunned by some of the clueless and naive perceptions of "how do they know that" blogposts by "leading bloggers". Once Google gets the data analysis down, they are setting on the richest data mine in the history scientific data and polling.
Google has so many data sources now - that you basically can't hide. Those that think the G data set is coming from the toolbar are only looking at a subfractional part of what Google has for data sources:
- Google Analytics. Most people don't even know they are constantly being tracked or bugged by Google Analytics bugs across and ever growing number of unconnected sites). The data set from GA has to be getting into freakin scary unreal territory. Google probably has more sources of data from Google Analytics (and the associated referral logs), than the rest of the site tracking/analytics firms combined. All of Googles other site tracking and click data much be dwarfed by the awesome data set that is Google Analytics. They have never publicly said how many domains are using GA, but we can say with some confidence, that it is well into the millions by now. The referral data could give Google a real time look at traffic through out the internet. They probably know more about traffic at their top 50 competitors than the competitors do themselves. If someone could do a mashup between Google Trends, Google Analytics, and Google maps (which we know Google has on a global scale) and make that public - oh boy :-) - Google AdSense (think about how many sites run this and how many times your browser connects to Google to get ads). Not to mention your clicks on some of those ads. It is like an extension of Google Analytics for the sites that don't run Analytics. Everytime a browser dl's a set of Ads, it is tracked along with the referral.
- ISP Relationships (like EarthLink and others). We can only guess at how much data ISP's are willingly giving over to Google.
- Site search forms on partner sites. (G drives CNN and Washpost site search - among tens of thousands of others)
- Search Data, Map Data, Blog Data, News Data - and your clicks on that data.
- Google Toolbar (what a gold mine for behavioral analysis, but not much use for analytical/tracking analysis)
- Partner sites (Aol, Yahoo). Adds to the massive query logs.
- SubCompany sites (DoubleClick, Blogger, YouTube ...etc) and the log files those companies brought to Google. I have heard that the first thing Google engineers asked for after the deal was done was to, "send us all your log files".
- Google Checkout. Consider the buttons on sites that are linked to Google. This is minor though compared to GA, but Google Checkout helps Google acquire data from the first search through the final payment process. This has helped Google get a complete craddle-to-grave life cycle picture of the online buy cycle. No one outside of ISP and ISP caching logs has similar data.
- Google Enterprise Search Box. (Beyond the Firewall: where no search engine has gone before). Few companies have data on user behavior within intranets. This data might also be a hidden gem of the Toolbar.
- Google Services: Gmail, Google Docs, iGoogle start page, Google Alerts, Google Reader. What and how Google can deduce and use from these services is debatable, but it is incredible circumstantial and behavioral data that adds to the mythical database of intentions.
With proper demographic, psychographic, and behavioral analysis, the things Google can deduce about a user would be almost unlimited. Considering the massive data set that could be analyzed, we should almost come up with an entirely new name and category for the scientists who will analyze the data. They are going to be able to break new ground new data interpretation.
Lets look at some of things Google could be able to deduce about you (in varying degrees):
- your income (from your location and surf habits)
- your job (your work ip and search habits)
- your spouse and family relationships
- your sexual preferences
- whether you own your home or not
- if you are married
- your social relationships
- your websites visitors better than you know them
This [neurosciencemarketing.com] is a very important site to read. Google is making deep inroads into understanding the human online behavior, buy cycle, and predicting it from psychographic data. eg: they didn't buy DoubleClick for their platform, or sales portfolio - they bought it for the 10 year data cache that doubleclick had amassed. The platform and portfolio were just nice perks.
Google probably spends as much time analyzing data, as they do working on the core search engine itself. What you see now with adplanner, will be a work-in-process : eg, this is the worst it will ever be. Some have hinted, that G may be intentionally dumbing down or watering down the data to thwart some of the blow back that is naturally occurring.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:53 pm (utc) on July 2, 2008]
| 3:53 pm on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Great post Brett! So, shall we take it that we have "officially" been assimilated by The Gorg? Barry over at Search Engine Roundtable has a pretty good review of this too with screenshots. I'm sure all of us here at WebmasterWorld are on the waiting list. It is probably growing by the second right now as people read this topic. :)
Detailed Screen Shots of Google's New Ad Planner :: Wow!
| 5:45 pm on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
No, I'm in. Got my invite this morning. At the moment I've just been playing around entering my sites, my clients, and some of their competitors. Of course I had some idea of what they know, but I'm blown away that they're handing this information to me - for free!
I found one rather egregious error; the Category type for one of my clients is way off. As in way way way off. I'm sure there's no way to correct it, but I wish I knew whose rear end they pulled it out of.
Looking at all this data, I don't know whether to be elated or terrified.
| 5:51 pm on Jun 25, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|Jake referred to one of my posts about it as a little too close to a tin foil rant |
I was a bit more naive at that point. ;-)
|Google probably spends as much time analyzing data |
There's a controversial op-ed talking about Google as the end of scientific modeling [wired.com] over at Wired today.
From that article:
|For instance, Google conquered the advertising world with nothing more than applied mathematics. It didn't pretend to know anything about the culture and conventions of advertising — it just assumed that better data, with better analytical tools, would win the day. And Google was right. |
In a previous life we used to have an expression: "It's the data, stupid."
| 8:39 am on Jun 26, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I think it's a neat way for Google to get back at ComScore after it released bad/easily misused data in recent months. Heh.
| 3:54 pm on Jun 26, 2008 (gmt 0)|
It lets you export things to CSV; it would be nice to be able to export to PDF as well.
| 4:07 pm on Jun 26, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Great post, Brett - I think that sums it up nicely. Google really are upping their game with these new data mashups. I wouldn't like to be Hitwise / Nielsen / Comscore right now - as Google releases more and more data their whole business models are disappearing before their eyes.
I don't like it, but on the plus side, it might stop the companies mentioned from resting on their (sometimes arrogant) laurels.
| 3:23 pm on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)|
> quantcast, compete, alexa, media metrix
Here's the thing about that: Googles service is the worst it is ever going to be today. While at the same time, those other services have pushed their technology to the limits. Google's data acquisistion machinery and traffic is only going to make G's data set better and better.