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Someone Has to Watch The Numbers at Google
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msg:3664739
 11:39 am on Jun 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

If Google were the United States government, the data that streams onto Nicholas Fox’s laptop every day would be classified as top secret.
Mr. Fox is among a small group of Google employees who keep a watchful eye on the vital signs of one of the most successful and profitable businesses on the Internet. The number of searches and clicks, the rate at which users click on ads, the revenue this generates — everything is tracked hour by hour, compared with the data from a week earlier and charted.

“You can see very, very quickly if anything is amiss,” said Mr. Fox, director of business product management at Google.

Someone Has to Watch The Numbers at Google [nytimes.com]

 

inasisi




msg:3664844
 2:01 pm on Jun 2, 2008 (gmt 0)


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NY Times article [nytimes.com]

Mr. Fox and his “ads quality” team can also quickly see whether something is working particularly well. His group’s mission, to constantly fine-tune Google’s ad delivery system, has one overriding objective: show users only the ads they are most likely to be interested in and click on.

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shorebreak




msg:3664862
 2:23 pm on Jun 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's good to see PPC math addressed in a mainstream article, even if it's carefully lorded over by Google's PR people.

News men & women of the world: please, will someone somewhere actually come up with a real news scoop on Google?

StoutFiles




msg:3664892
 3:03 pm on Jun 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's a slow day at the NY Times.

shorebreak




msg:3664932
 3:51 pm on Jun 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

As everyone here already knows, a much better article would detail how advertisers must struggle to see into the Google Money Machine.

I'm participating in a panel at SMX this week on today's bid mgmt systems, and one point I'll be making is that since Google's own AdWords algorithms change frequently, systems that try to manage AdWords spend must be able to be tuned to react to more recent data.

martinibuster




msg:3665585
 8:57 am on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

Reveals tidbits about landing pages (loading time will soon become part of the quality score criteria) and mentions that growth in travel queries has slowed. Great article, lots of useful information there re AdWords, but also about Search in general.

In mid-February, for instance, the group was taken aback when they saw the number of searches drop unexpectedly. With their antennas keenly tuned for any sign that the economic slowdown could be hitting Google’s business, members of the team rushed to come up with a diagnosis...

The team determined that Google had suffered from a series of unrelated minor ailments. Mardi Gras and the Chinese New Year kept people away from their computers, while bad weather knocked out electricity in parts of China, Mr. Varian said.

They also mention what many of us have already noticed or intuited, that bad weather and strikes are good for Google (and us by extension) because it keeps people at home on their computers.

“Bad weather is good for Google, as long as it is not too bad,” Mr. Varian said.

zett




msg:3665637
 11:29 am on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

Mr. Fox and his “ads quality” team can also quickly see whether something is working particularly well.

Looking at this from a publisher point of view (i.e. Adsense), I see that Mr. Fox and his team have a looooong way to go. There are still a lot of shady advertisers and ads floating in the system, poisoning the ad mix. Or: these ads and advertisers are in the system, BECAUSE Google wants them to be there, because it is their business to see ads, however crappy they may be.

Why they do not give publishers better tools to control ad quality on their own is totally beyond me? They clearly are not capable to do this quality control.

Just my $0.02

Green_Grass




msg:3665648
 11:43 am on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

They seem to be primarily tracking revenue. Ad quality is only a sham. The primary interest is clicks and value of these clicks. It is their job to ensure that the 'basket of keywords' keep paying more and more and more..This is what I get from the article. Rest seems to be eyewash.

Edge




msg:3665652
 11:51 am on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

Why they do not give publishers better tools to control ad quality on their own is totally beyond me? They clearly are not capable to do this quality control.

I doubt Mr. Fox's team first priority is the quality or perfomance of ads on any particular website other than Google.

weeks




msg:3665732
 1:32 pm on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's a slow day at the NY Times.

Perfect analysis.

But, if you think that's no-news about the web, The Wall Street Journal ran this moldy-oldie today:

Some Google advertisers are upset their names are in ads for other sites. The problem is a tactic known as "piggybacking," in which smaller advertisers use major players' brand names, slogans or other trademarked words in the text of search ads to lure Web surfers to their own sites.

While Google and other search engines have policies against this maneuver, some marketers say the practice often goes unchecked.

What's the year today? 2001?

weeks




msg:3665734
 1:35 pm on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

I doubt Mr. Fox's team first priority is the quality or perfomance of ads on any particular website other than Google.

From what people have determined from reading their SEC filings, this is likely very true. I've seen one estimate that about 80 percent of Google's ad income comes from their own sites.

newviewit




msg:3665763
 2:11 pm on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

Wonder how much Mr. Fox makes and what incentives he's receiving... willing to bet he could make much more selling his information to private webmasters

rank




msg:3666167
 10:29 pm on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

i wouldn't be so sure.

i would imagine he's making more than enough on salary, bonus payments and share options to never be tempted to turn his back on the big G.

Mister Markup




msg:3666570
 11:28 am on Jun 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

When I first tried AdSense on my website, I included on a couple of pretty strongly worded "anti-widget" pages. To my surprise, ads for widgets showed up on them.

You could say that the fault lies with the AdWords Select advertisers, for choosing simply "widgets" as a keyword to bid on, but Google should be able to do better.

Miamacs




msg:3666611
 12:26 pm on Jun 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

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ads quality team...

I wonder if they're on speaking terms with the spam and search quality people... pass info on what areas are profitable/volatile enough to get some special attention... *hint* *hint*

...

gotta love that GoTo link in the middle of the article. especially it's target

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