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Welcome to the pay-per-action beta test!
Anyone else?
bw3ttt




msg:3454354
 10:16 pm on Sep 18, 2007 (gmt 0)


Welcome to the pay-per-action beta test!
You've been invited to create a pay-per-action campaign. To get started, you'll need to create an action, associate a cost per action with it, and paste conversion tracking code on your website. Then, create a new pay-per-action campaign in the same manner that you would create a normal campaign.

 

chinara




msg:3454357
 10:24 pm on Sep 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

I see it too. They been testing it for a while now. You "pay per click" or "pay per action". If you are good with finance the results should be about the same if you are not more money for google. :)

helloamber




msg:3454827
 1:08 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've tried PPA on a few of my clients and it doesn't work too well. You really have to put a lot of time and energy into it. You'll typically start off really slow with clicks and impressions. But eventually it picks up, but conversions don't follow too well. At least that's what I've encountered. It's worth a try if you feel you've run out of ideas to make an account perform better.

Amber
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dmorison




msg:3454851
 1:19 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Anyone wondering if they're going to be selected for the beta - apparently it helps if you are already using conversion tracking. It may be that they are only selecting accounts using conversion tracking; and after that based on the number of conversions recorded.

paladin




msg:3454881
 1:42 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

We just got the invite today - "Woo Hoo" I thought. But then it hit me, how do we deal with fradulent charges? We do card verification in real time, but every now and then we get charge disputes because a card number was stolen.

In our affiliate program I can void comissions on these. So I saw the "Chat now with an AdWords Specialist" link and figured I'd give it a try. That is where the disapointment began.

To initate the chat the form asked me for my name, email, login email if different and then my question . I entered all the information including the fraud question on the PPA, and a "specialist" came on, just to proceed and ask if I had a question on the PPA and my account ID #. Why does their system ask for it if they do not read it?

She then told me that I can "contact (their) clicks quality team directly and make them aware of the situation. They would be able to conduct an investigation into it, and credit you back if the conversion was found to be invalid" by going to https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6432&hl=en_US

Point is, you need to be careful on the pay-per-action.

bw3ttt




msg:3454975
 3:06 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

well.. unfortunately I don't actually sell anything so I'd say that the invitations are either random or based on overall account volume.

BDuns




msg:3455277
 7:18 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I first was invited to the PPA program quite a few months ago...you're just now being invited?

I think it works like crap, IMO. It has potential, but the problem is that I have no idea where my ads are being displayed. So, I'm kind of relying on who ever is running the website to match my ads to their content.

Since I have no idea where my ads are being displayed, I am blind as far as coming up with effective ad copy.

I don't see how google expects us to be successful with this without even letting us see where the heck our ads are being displayed.

skibum




msg:3455470
 11:59 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

For publishers/affiliates to make any money from this and for advertisers to actually generate sales, something more than a contextual keyword matching computer algorithm is needed.

This is really an affiliate model and successful affiliates sell stuff, they don't just put up banners or text ads, which is what this probably amounts to. Haven't used it but I assume it is basically AdSense but with a CPA compensation model.

CJ's failed LMI initiative last year that was designed to operate more like AdSense where advertisers could have more or total control over the copy in their links. It was resounding rejected by affiliates because affiliates need to control messaging in order to sell stuff.

Advertisers can probably get some free impressions and clicks until publishers realize that they are getting paid little or nothing for the ad inventory that these ads are taking up.

If an advertiser wants to pay on PPC or CMP basis, that should buy total control over the messaging because the publisher or affiliate gets paid for their ad inventory.

If the risk is to be transferred to the publisher or affiliate on a CPA or rev share basis, then the publisher or affiliate needs to control the message and the context in which it is placed so they can sell stuff.

trinorthlighting




msg:3455493
 12:34 am on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

PPA is working for us. We did have some fraudulent acivity that I wrote about in this thread:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Nice thing was, when we noticed it and reported it to Google, they took care of it. I would never suggest using PPA for newsletter sign ups or sales leads. We only use it for ecom conversions.

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