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Hooking into the AdWords API
Anyone else doing it?
Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 5:20 pm on Aug 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

A few years ago I wrote a program that hooked into the AdWords API and turned my ads on and off at certain times. Now I'd like to write something that helps me manage a large amount of ad groups, ads, and keywords, so I have a minimum amount of data to enter.

Has anyone set something like that up? If so, do you consider it worthwhile?

 

shorebreak

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 7:59 pm on Aug 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

This has already been built by 10-20 vendors. Why build it yourself?

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 8:02 pm on Aug 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, I like having it tightly integrated with my system so I don't have to manage the same data in two different systems. Are there one or two of these programs that are especially worth looking at though?

poster_boy

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 8:16 pm on Aug 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Has anyone set something like that up? If so, do you consider it worthwhile?

We're in the process of building such a solution... lots of work, but we're expecting that the benefit will more than make up for it. For our purposes, external solutions do not support our individual needs - not to mention that they're oftentimes quite expensive.

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 8:46 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

How did it go poster_boy? Anybody else try this?

smallcompany

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 9:21 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Why build it yourself?

No single one could do what I wanted. I wish I could do it myself.

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 9:36 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

smallcompany, what did you end up doing?

smallcompany

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 9:45 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Nothing so far. :(

I looked into outsourcing a team of programmers but how do you trust them? I am between making something for my business or creating a product that would be fully supported and sold on the market.

You know when you know what you want… and you know it would be a brilliant thing that thousands of people would simply love.

Coding is my problem...

natim

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 10:50 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

shorebreak who are the top 3 that provide this service.

eWhisper

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 10:05 am on May 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Before talking to vendors about integrating their AdWords API programs into your systems - ensure you know exactly what you want and how much it's worth to you.

The more tightly you're integrated, the most you need ongoing support (and therefore, potentially more expansive). Google's API sunsets a release every 6 weeks or so, and only supports the last 3 releases. Although, there aren't many major releases each year, most are incremental updates.

An example of tight integration would be inventory management to AdWords keywords. Auto pause/start your keywords based upon items in stock.

More generic uses are bid management systems that use conversion tracking placed on your website. This is fairly easy, but doesn't integrate into any of your backend systems.

If you don't know what you're looking for, then 'scope creep' usually becomes an issue along with price. If you know, then the proposals are much more manageable.

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 10:36 am on May 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

eWhisper, have you had success using a system like this?

poster_boy

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 3:10 pm on May 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

How did it go poster_boy? Anybody else try this?

It's set to launch within days... quite exciting. Important to note: It's a substantial amount of work - and requires a key investments of resources, time and patience. Not just the development time... but also the detailed requirements definition - as eWhisper noted, as well...

But, at the end, an internal system that uniquely achieves your goals... in our case, automating rules-based keyword creation and submission (across multiple languages & brands), per keyword inventory management, reporting, optimization rules & alerts, etc. ...is priceless.

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 4:12 pm on May 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Congratulations poster_buy, that is exciting.

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 12:27 am on May 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is there anything wrong with launching a work in progress? I'd like to start work on a fully comprehensive system, but put it to use piece by piece rather than wait until it is complete.

Oliver Henniges

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 5:25 pm on May 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

>> Why build it yourself?
> Well, I like having it tightly integrated with my system so I don't have to manage the same data in two different systems.

I like that approach. Saves a lot of time (later on) if you integrate website-design, warehouse-management, <insert dozens of interesting other intefaces here>, and then adwords into a tight and effective structure, designed for your very own specific needs. click-path-effectiveness. But programming also takes a lot of time.

I had the same idea, but I am relatively new to adwords and for the time being prefer to make the classic beginner-mistakes with the tools available. For instance, I read in a book on adwords that one of the classics is to try to import huge bulks of keyword selections. Instead, some careful finetuning by hand was often the better way, the author says. I must admit, there is some truth in this.

Nevertheless, I believe that long-term it is necessary to built some tools, which will provide some advantages against competitors.

Hope I'll manage to double our organic orders with the help of adwords until the end of the year. I need this target as a proof that adwords in itself is a hopeful path for my small niche in the future.

I had some eperiences with the soap-interface on another project, so the whole thing shouldn't be too complicated; I think in a few months (maybe Feb 09) it is quite likely I need some better tools to manage my account. (Lucky me, I'll only have to manage one.)

If you're really going to begin this in the near future, I'd be very much interested in your experiences with how you designed your database and a brief sketch of some of the things you found worth programming yourself.

Tonearm

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 5:48 pm on May 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

Sounds good to me. I think I'll start small. Maybe use the API to notify me when I have the same keyword in two different ad groups, and expand from there.

Oliver Henniges

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 10:36 pm on May 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

> Maybe use the API to notify me when I have the same keyword in two different ad groups, and expand from there.

I'd say the first thing to do is to set up a database with three tables:

campaigns > adgroups > keywords

just as the adwords structure in itself suggests. Maybe a fourth level, if you manage different accounts for other clients. To sort out such doublettes should be quite easy simply by defining a unique table-row for the keywords you use.

I think the api is best used in order to synchronize this database with your adwords account. to and fro. I'd start with setting up these three tables and then a routine to import adwords-csv-export-file. And then step by step use the api to send modifications (made locally) to the account. But there is a lot of work involved to even catch up with the options the adwords-editor gives. Once you reach that level, true advantages may start...

eWhisper

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 11:42 am on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

The other thing to consider with any system you might build is if you'll be using other inventory that you want to integrate into your warehouse.

It's easier to spec out how to bring in data from MSN, Google, and Yahoo and store it before you build a system then to try to hack it together at a later date.

If you manage a lot of keywords and ad copy, I would suggest your warehouse store all your data so you know what should be going on at each vendor, and then sync that data on a regular basis. It's much cheaper (and faster) on the API calls to queue your warehouse for changes rather than to query the vendors.

DutchmanF

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Msg#: 3427047 posted 7:32 am on Sep 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

Poster_Boy - would you mind sharing your first experiences after the launch of this new app with us? I am very keen to find out whether integrating the Adwords Api and Inventory Management actually works?

[edited by: tedster at 11:58 am (utc) on Sep. 9, 2008]

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