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Ideal number of keywords in an Ad Group
Is there a sweet spot range?
JBrown




msg:3376100
 6:58 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is anyone was seeing Ad Groups with a large number of keywords getting penalized on Quality Score?

I have a few ad groups where every keyword has had the minimum bid raised, and these are mostly ad groups with many keywords.

I remember hearing in that past that about 80 keywords per ad group was generally a good number. Is there a certain threshold that you should avoid? I have a few ad groups with 1,000 keywords (many are long-tail terms with low impressions) and I was wondering how big is too big.

 

bw3ttt




msg:3376231
 9:22 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

That has to be a myth.. I had Google raise my limit to 5000 keywords per ad group and had almost 100% of them active at 4 cents minimum bid..

poster_boy




msg:3376253
 10:09 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is anyone was seeing Ad Groups with a large number of keywords getting penalized on Quality Score?

I don't think penalties are due to the number of keywords in an ad group, per se, but the more keywords in an ad group.. the more likely that they're less relevant... which then, in turn, can potentially impact Quality Score.

If your grouped keywords are relevant, I would instead focus on performance reasons for keeping your ad groups lean. Despite my 5k keyword limit, Google has suggested no more than 2k for optimal UI performance.

bw3ttt




msg:3376259
 10:14 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

yeah it takes a while for the ad group to load when you put in 5k.. I wouldn't put in that many if you plan to do a lot of maint.

Hiccup




msg:3376327
 12:17 am on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

That has to be a myth.. I had Google raise my limit to 5000 keywords per ad group and had almost 100% of them active at 4 cents minimum bid..

Uh huh.

What's the weather like in la-la land?

[edited by: Hiccup at 12:17 am (utc) on June 23, 2007]

bw3ttt




msg:3376404
 3:11 am on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Some of us advertise in countries other than the United States and in languages other than English smart ass..

Crunchola




msg:3377273
 10:53 am on Jun 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

the less keys the better, and having the keyword in the ad helps a lot. For me the 80/20 rule is strong in ppc. Keys in ad groups need to be related, tightly related.

Hiccup




msg:3377696
 1:31 am on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Some of us advertise in countries other than the United States and in languages other than English smart ass..

I don't care if you were advertising in pig latin, the question was what is the ideal number of keywords in an adgroup. Responding with FIVE THOUSAND is just horrible information and a lie.

I'm not sure if you've ever even used adwords, but the max is 2,000 per adgroup and the odds of even 2,000 having bids of 4 cents is slim to none.

The answer to the original question is 15 to 25 total keywords. You can do a bit more or less, but that is the IDEAL number, (at least according to my rep.)

fordo23




msg:3377701
 1:45 am on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a few ad groups with 1,000 keywords (many are long-tail terms with low impressions) and I was wondering how big is too big

I expanded out my keywords in some adgroups to 3,000+ in a bid to pump the 'long tail'. I did have problems with CPC after this. I don't believe it was down to the number of terms in the agroup though, but rather Google exploiting the concept of the 'long tail'. As the long tail is supposed to be higher converting Google believe they should be (AND ARE) able to charge more for these terms. I have had it confirmed directly from a Google employee as I couldn’t understand why these terms were 500% more CPC than the most competitive terms for my industry. Beware of the long tail Google has made it a rort.

poster_boy




msg:3377756
 3:45 am on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure if you've ever even used adwords, but the max is 2,000 per adgroup and the odds of even 2,000 having bids of 4 cents is slim to none.

Actually, the max varies by advertiser - up to 5,000 per ad group and 1,000,000 keywords per account.

The answer to the original question is 15 to 25 total keywords.

That would require me having between 40,000 and 66,666 ad groups. Not exactly a scalable strategy.

fischermx




msg:3377812
 5:18 am on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

I also have adgroups with more than 2,000 keywords. So, it varies.

JBrown




msg:3378516
 7:11 pm on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the reponses.

The answer to the original question is 15 to 25 total keywords. You can do a bit more or less, but that is the IDEAL number, (at least according to my rep.)

I think I'll be stuck with at least a few large ad groups for the long tail, but I'm going to shoot for 15-80 keywords for high-volume categories.

RhinoFish




msg:3378682
 10:12 pm on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

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