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Google to remove Adverts for Essays
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msg:3346501
 2:49 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

[news.bbc.co.uk ]

Google is to ban adverts for essay writing services - following claims that plagiarism is threatening the integrity of university degrees

 

idolw




msg:3349492
 8:48 am on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

i think it is important for the universities to fight corruption and cheating. not the state or 3rd party companies like google.

in my country (Poland) you can see ads of companies that offer jobs in the UK. In fact that is all a scam - they send people there and forget about them.
Could google stop all ads from all job listing services, please?

HarleyGuy




msg:3350139
 8:57 pm on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Henry Ford said that the key to success was that he did not need to know everything – he just needed to surround himself with the people who did have the answers.

I don’t need a doctor that knows everything; I need one that will go to find the answers to my problems. Does this mean if he asks another doctor for advice and then shares it with me that he is some kind of cheater.

I don’t care if my doctor has good punctuation or whatever it takes to write a good essay. I want him to be able to find fast solutions to current problems.
That means using some other person’s research to cure me.

When he tells me to take these drugs and I will be healed but does not tell me that some other person developed the drugs, does this make him some sort of cheater?

AN education is the accumulation of information that we have learnt from others. Just about everything we know is what we have got from others and we tell people this is what I know, --- not this is info that I got from someone else because I am to stupid to dream stuff up my self.

I guess when a preacher gives his sermon he is a cheater cause he is just reciting someone else’s work.
(Bad Preacher)

Next google will ban elance or maybe some article sites.

Where do you get your content for your site?

G should keep there nose out of this.

This is for the universities to sort out – not Google

ronin




msg:3350210
 9:54 pm on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Does this mean if he asks another doctor for advice and then shares it with me that he is some kind of cheater.

A doctor's reputation is based on their competence as a doctor.

An academic's reputation is based on their competence as an academic.

Plagiarism is failing to acknowledge sources. That's part of an academic's job.

And it is Google's problem. It's everyone's problem. Plagiarism is sloppy and lazy and benefits no-one. Least of all the plagiarist.

HarleyGuy




msg:3350307
 12:09 am on May 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

"And it is Google's problem. It's everyone's problem."

In other news today Google has stopped letting companies advertise food products on Adwords.

A company spokesperson said:

“Americans are too fat and it is our responsibility to stop these fat a**es from getting Twinkies online. And since suger is not good for our kids, no Soda ads. And 14,000 people a year die from car crashes, so no automobile ads either.

You people are too stupid to police yourselves so we need to censor our Adwords clients for your own good.

Forget Kevin Hamm we own the internet.”

yours truly Google

Having a GOD complex is evil.

[edited by: HarleyGuy at 12:12 am (utc) on May 26, 2007]

europeforvisitors




msg:3350344
 1:27 am on May 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

HarleyGuy, Google gets to decide what ads it thinks are appropriate. Magazines and newspapers do the same thing, and nobody accuses THE NEW YORKER or the PODUNK PRESS of having a "God complex."

Still, if you want to equate advertising standards with delusions of divinity, you can take solace in the fact that you get to play God on your Web site. :-)

HarleyGuy




msg:3350387
 3:45 am on May 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

europeforvisitors

I like your point.

And your right, I am a god (if only on my site)

europeforvisitors




msg:3350756
 6:50 pm on May 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

And your right, I am a god (if only on my site)

Me, too, and it's a great feeling. Now, if only I could talk myself into resting on the seventh day. :-)

menial




msg:3350762
 7:06 pm on May 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

But I still don't understand how Google can take money for adult ads and they refuse money from writing businesses. When my kid goes to Google (default Search setup), after the first click on Adword ads he can find pictures even I'm disgusted with. Such sites don't hurt the society and our children?

Or it would be too much money to lose for Google if they banned such ads.

G-ypocrisy.

[edited by: tedster at 4:49 am (utc) on May 29, 2007]

europeforvisitors




msg:3351143
 3:26 pm on May 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Menial, you're comparing apples and oranges. <Adult content> and plagiarism are completely different issues. There's nothing hypocritical about accepting ads for one but not for the other.

What's more, AdWords is Google's advertising program, and Google (not you, or I, or the guy down the block) gets to decide what its advertising standards should be.

[edited by: tedster at 4:43 am (utc) on May 29, 2007]

menial




msg:3355366
 4:34 am on Jun 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Menial, you're comparing apples and oranges. <Adult content> and plagiarism are completely different issues.

Am I? So why do they allow p0rn and don't allow prostitution? For me p0rn vs. prostitution are pretty close.

callivert




msg:3355381
 5:02 am on Jun 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

The essay ads are shady business practices. They're on the same level as viagra and xanax advertisements. Of at least questionable legality and definitely unethical.
In the strict sense, they are crossing the legal line: they create fraudulent documents (fraudulent because authorship attribution is changed); thus they enable people to defraud universities with these fraudulent documents, and employers second (with degrees obtained by deception); but there's really no mechanism in place for shutting it down.

Therefore, I am glad to see that they can no longer advertise on google.
Havin done this ethical, good, and laudable thing, Google find themselves in a gray zone.
porn is a legitimate business model, however.
re prostitution, I actually disagree with G on this. If it's in a legal area (e.g., Nevada, Canada, etc) then there should not be a problem

William1972




msg:3359485
 9:54 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

"The essay ads are shady business practices. They're on the same level as viagra and xanax advertisements."

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

Since when did it become unacceptable to sell one's writing? When an author sells a copy of his/her book, should the AUTHOR be persecuted if someone plagiarizes from his/her book?

Wake up.

callivert




msg:3359609
 1:57 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Since when did it become unacceptable to sell one's writing? When an author sells a copy of his/her book, should the AUTHOR be persecuted if someone plagiarizes from his/her book?

There is a difference between the essay industry and legitimate authors. Authors release a work to the public for the entertainment or education of others. That work is publicly available, its attributed to the author, and its copyrighted.

By contrast, heres how the essay industry works: an essayist makes a deal to privately transfer an expertly written essay to a non-expert, so that the non-expert can dishonestly present him/herself as being an expert. In essence, it is a conspiracy to fraudulently obtain educational qualifications.

The claim that the essayist is merely selling ones writing and bears no responsibility is simply willful ignorance: about 100% of the paying customers of these businesses are buying essays to defraud educational institutions, and ultimately employers. It is fraud, pure and simple: obtaining qualifications (and therefore money) by falsely claiming credit for anothers work.
The entire industry is built on this premise, and since the essayists either know or strongly suspect the fraudulent intent of their clients, they are complicit.

I wonder at what point you find it objectionable that people have degrees that they dont deserve. Maybe it doesnt matter if there are a few more English majors in the world, but how do you feel about incompetent yet qualified lawyers? Radiologists? Nurses? Teachers? Forensic psychologists? We have these evaluations for a reason. Businesses that make money from undermining these evaluations are ultimately allowing the incompetent, or the lazy, to obtain high-status qualifications that they have no business holding.

Thats the big picture. On a personal note, I find the image of someone with a PhD sitting in a room doing homework for talentless kids to be the epitome of pathos. I couldnt do it. But if you can, and if its making you good money, then, to quote a recent film, may you live forever.

menial




msg:3359647
 3:09 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

By contrast, heres how the essay industry works: an essayist makes a deal to privately transfer an expertly written essay to a non-expert, so that the non-expert can dishonestly present him/herself as being an expert. In essence, it is a conspiracy to fraudulently obtain educational qualifications.

By another contrast, a lot of website owners (in many cases bilingual) ask a professional copywriter to write a web copy for their professional/expert website. Or an article, or press release. Have you ever asked a website owner who was actually a copywriter of the text on their website? In most cases, website owners use professional writing or editing services to do that.

Should then Google check who was the actual author of the web copy on every website and ban those owners who haven't written the text themselves?

Apparently some of them also "dishonestly present themselves as being experts."

callivert




msg:3359655
 3:24 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Should then Google check who was the actual author of the web copy on every website and ban those owners who haven't written the text themselves?

You're treating publishing and education as the same thing, which they aren't.
Sure, many websites are written by copywriters. And it's not just the internet. In fact, most news articles don't attribute authorship, they just say "Associated Press", "Reuters", or "AFP".
Big deal.

That's not the same thing as cheating at school or university, or making a living from enabling others to cheat.

menial




msg:3359658
 3:31 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't think cheating is the right thing to do, either.

On the other hand, however, I don't want to suggest that cheating by students is wrong -- but cheating by non-students is Perfectly Okay.

callivert




msg:3359663
 3:42 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't want to suggest that cheating by students is wrong -- but cheating by non-students is Perfectly Okay

It's an interesting question. I guess it comes down to motive. If the intention is to present top-quality information to the public, then the content production is really just business.
If it's about self-promotion, though, then yeah, I guess you could argue that there are ethical issues.
For example, imagine a blogger that pretended to be a knowledgeable commentator, but was paying someone else for the blog entries. That would be pretty questionable, especially if they became famous enough that they became known in the mainstream media, started writing (sub-contracted) columns for the New York Times, etc.
I wonder... when will the blogosphere have its first "Milli Vanilli" scandal?

menial




msg:3359664
 3:47 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

when will the blogosphere have its first "Milli Vanilli" scandal?

I think there was a case already against a "PhD" Wikipedia contributor who was in fact a bored student.

Hercules2




msg:3363820
 9:55 pm on Jun 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

hilarious, Google decides what is good for their users. Let Google gather all information and decides whats good for you and what not.
We in europe don't like this kind of information manipulation.

Plagarisme... hahhaga that's their own business model. They copy content of websites and show that to their users... They scan books. They show pictures that don't belong to them. And now they decide what kind of information is unhealthy for there "stupid" users.

Let's do some evil

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