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March 2014 AdSense Earnings and Observations
This May be my Last Month
JCKline




msg:4650337
 2:14 pm on Mar 1, 2014 (gmt 0)

I'm starting the March earnings thread as it may be my last month with Non-Sense.

 

webcentric




msg:4652370
 10:50 pm on Mar 8, 2014 (gmt 0)

Third Party Networks are ALL turned off.

I've had all third party networks turned off for two years.


Well, that sort of mutes that line of reasoning.

nomis5




msg:4652372
 11:07 pm on Mar 8, 2014 (gmt 0)

Seems like I'm hearing examples where a single unit on a page is effected. Wondering if removing a single unit causes the problem to shift to another existing unit or if multiple units on the same page are being impacted simultaneously.


I narrowed it down to one ad unit (a very unprofitable one) on my most profitable site and replaced that ad block with affiliate ads and Criteo (doing OK now to my surprise). All was calm for a couple of weeks and then one of the major blocks started to be affected.

I'm concentrating elsewhere at the moment because the infection on the major site appears, to me anyway, to be an unsolvable problem. So I've lost track of the situation in the last couple of weeks. But, yes, for me, remove one affected ad unit from Adsense and another then suffers, albeit not so dramatically as the first one.

littlecubpanda




msg:4652411
 5:50 am on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Good month, everything normal. Noticed an immediate boost over Feb. Wondering if new ad campaigns are kicking in as ad spending increases as the year goes along?

indias next no1




msg:4652441
 10:09 am on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Last month was below normal, from march 2nd daily total earning 50% below normal. don't know what's the problem is.

Mentat




msg:4652444
 10:42 am on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Since 13-16 February I'm down the slope every day in terms of traffic and money. Until now it was only traffic, but now the eCPM is going down every day with no logic.

Adsense team wants more ad positions, but SEO Team will penalize me for this!

I "wait" for the spring google bomb update and I'll probably need another (last) round of layoffs.

If the new design will not be a success... we will close one of the top 500 Alexa sites.

It was fun while it lasted!

They wanted to break the spirit of "the cheaters/spammers"?
Well, I'm on the collateral side... so it seems.

wa desert rat




msg:4652463
 2:22 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

I understand that business decisions are tough to make and the last 45 days (or so) have been rocky for many of us. But I don't think publishers should make rash decisions this early in the game.

Here is why...

Google's Adsense program has been very good to lots of us. It's in trouble now, however, and if we bail out on it now then it might impact the program negatively when it's possible (even likely) that we can help get G through this. If you're actually losing money then, of course, something has to be done. But if Adsense is paying the bills then stick it out for a while.

I know Google executives either read this forum or get reports on what the sense of the users here are thinking. Maybe they'll cough up more usable data for us so we can help push the program through this rough patch.

A month ago I thought that Google was responsible for a lot of the issues. Now I think that the issues are the symptom of Google trying to solve the problems. With just a little more - and better - data from Google we all can manage our sites better and take some of the burden off G's troops.

Do what you must, but Google has adopted a "don't be evil" attitude from the beginning and, despite what we might think, I am not convinced that they are not still hewing to that.

wa desert rat




msg:4652467
 2:30 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Sorry... double post.

gogu258




msg:4652497
 5:56 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

6:30 about 5.60Euros, 1 hour later 2.50Euros, 20 minutes after 5.80Euros. No click bombing, no unusual CTR....Stats are really fu...up. Isn't the first time when I see that, happened many times but those days it become more noticeable and higher amounts are cut at the end of the day.

jrstark




msg:4652513
 7:15 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

I'm really starting to think this is a bot which for some reason is either following certain ad links or being counted when it shouldn't. Google can obviously see it afterwards, that's why it keeps adjusting.

ember




msg:4652516
 7:35 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Analytics is not opening. Adsense numbers are all over the place. I wonder how how long before this is fixed?

webcentric




msg:4652528
 8:50 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Along the line of thinking that suggests invalid clicks might be the actions of a bot targeting specific ads or ad placements, I can think of one more Adsense setting that would fit right into that line of thinking and it has to do with channels. So...

...how many people experiencing high levels of invalid clicks use the following setting when setting up an ad channel

"Show this custom channel to advertisers as a targetable ad placement"

I haven't used this setting in quite awhile and am not seeing the problem. Is there a relationship between this setting and invalid click activity? Once again, inquiring minds want to know. ;) Pretty much everything else has been a dead end to this point.

netmeg




msg:4652533
 8:56 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

I use it on one ad placement per site, and get invalid click reports on all placements (whether they're targeted or not)

Actually, looking at my stats, I also get the click problems on sites where I'm not using the targets at all.

webcentric




msg:4652535
 9:17 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

You know, this really comes down to "what the bleep is an invalid click these days?" G's definition doesn't seem to cover this issue except with some very vague language (language that would cover Martians clicking on ads or particles from space somehow triggering clicks) and it doesn't appear to be anything within the control of publishers to address (something I once thought might be addressable by publishers).

So where's the media in all of this? The silence is deafening. Explanations are in order. On that I think we all agree.

ember




msg:4652537
 9:22 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

So where's the media in all of this? The silence is deafening


I don't think Google wants anyone to know this is happening. I imagine they are all hands on deck trying to fix it. At least I hope they are.

RedBar




msg:4652538
 9:26 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

USD 11.00+ removed yesterday from a Canadian visitor for what reason? The clicks were from a part of one of my sites where I except clicks to derive, the IP wasn't masked, everything to me looked genuine, obviously Google believes otherwise.

No wonder earnings do not increase, they can't increase when they do this.

jrstark




msg:4652539
 9:28 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

My suspect channel is not targeted. I thought I'd made them all targeted, but this is one I missed.

MrSavage




msg:4652540
 10:18 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

Yesterday was quite respectable. Today looking to be the same. Typical for my sites on weekends.

Wow, what a big A shave off my upcoming cheque. Wow. Percentage wise, it hurts pretty bad. I see daily shaving, and now I see a chuck off what the "adjusted" earnings are. It's shaving a shaving. Glad my expectations are low these days, but it still doesn't feel good at all.

wa desert rat




msg:4652542
 10:44 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

My ads are targetable. My site is specific enough that it makes a difference. And 39% of my ads are from outdoor-oriented advertisers.

netmeg




msg:4652543
 10:48 pm on Mar 9, 2014 (gmt 0)

and it doesn't appear to be anything within the control of publishers to address


Now you're getting it!

So where's the media in all of this?


Which media would that be? The same media that is scratching and clawing for every pageview and click it can get (through their own premium agreements) themselves? I compete directly with the media; they got no interest in anything that assists publishers other than themselves. (I was as good as told that by the web director of a major Detroit TV affiliate after they stole all my content and posted it as their own without attribution) They'd be happy if we all went away - even if they don't compete with us for ad dollars, we contribute to the ad blindness that reduces their revenue.

kireb




msg:4652556
 12:27 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

When you think things can't get any worse, they do! My earnings are bouncing up and down like never before. Clicks come and go, go and go I hope we get some reliable reporting soon, as this is horrible. What's going on?

webcentric




msg:4652579
 2:59 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Now you're getting it!


It's certainly easier to get when you can rule out most of the usual suspects where cause is concerned. It's the curse of a methodical mind. Got to see the larger picture (complete with details) before I can take someone's conclusions for fact. That's not a statement about someone's credibility, it's a statement about getting enough facts to arrive at a corroborating conclusion using a methodology I can understand. Not that I'm giving up on finding some bizarre, identifiable trigger in all of this but the odds of finding something concrete are looking worse and worse as each possible variable gets eliminated from the equation.

As for the media, forget mainstream. Where's the tech media where this is concerned? I get that G doesn't want this cat out of the bag but who's actively helping them keep it under wraps and why? Journalists can be so out of touch when they want to be. G's competition must be wondering how they're getting such a pass on this. One has to wonder at what point does this become an unmanageable publicity nightmare that could rock G's credibility to the core? Or maybe they think we'll all just forget once they've smoothed over the bumps.

Reading this board is proof that publishers have a long memory though. G can survive loosing Adsense but what happens if the same level of distrust and shear frustration we see here boils over into the advertiser community (if it already isn't doing so). I guess G can always blame publishers for it's misfortunes and sacrifice Adsense as a way of showing advertisers it's taking care of the problem. I really hate thinking this way but it's not a great leap to arrive at such a premonition either.

Play_Bach




msg:4652581
 3:12 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Yesterday earnings = lowest in months, today = highest. Sure AdSense, whatever.

wa desert rat




msg:4652592
 4:25 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Google Analytics is consistently under-reporting visits and unique visits by about 25% in comparison with Piwik. But since we have no idea whether G is actually paying attention to Analytics (or Performance Reports, for that matter) it may not be significant.

jrstark




msg:4652603
 4:46 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Analytics has always been lower than AdSense for me, both are lower than AWStats. But they are also usually higher than Quantcast.

Now Adsense is lower than Analytics and Quantcast is higher than both.

wa desert rat




msg:4652606
 6:35 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

The pattern is now up/down/up/down/ and then way down at the end. However we have only had 1 mobile ad click taken back in 7 days of keeping track of this. By far the best performer.

Of course, we can't trust the reports.

Jaideemaak




msg:4652610
 7:01 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

I've seen clicks disappearing for several years now, yet it only seems to have become an issue on this board recently. The official statement from G doesn't give any clues.

[google.com...]

However, some wording about protecting Adwords customers that appeared some years ago - and has since been changed - was a bit more enlightening. I can't remember the exact words, but it was about click quality.

Clicks alone don't mean anything to Adwords customers unless specific goals are achieved. Adwords customers are the ones who actually pay Google and their ROI needs to be protected.

The wording a few years ago talked not about click fraud, but about low quality clicks where the clicker was unlikely to do anything else after clicking through to the site.

I have a low volume site and what I typically see is two clicks appearing in quick succession on the same page. Because of the low volume I assume it is the same person who clicked. He clicked on an ad, didn't like what he saw, returned and clicked on another ad.

When this happens, one or both clicks are taken back. He spent so little time on the first site that the Adwords goal couldn't have been successful so the click doesn't count. It's not the publisher's fault, but the publisher is punished.

When this subject came up here a few years ago someone said that all of his clicks from educational establishments were taken back. Presumably poor students don't buy when they click through to a site and thus their clicks don't count. Again, it wasn't the publisher's fault, but the publisher was the one who got punished.

I've also been following the comments here about not changing things and would like to offer the following analogy. If you have a business selling CRT TVs and complain about poor sales despite not changing anything, it is your fault. Who buys big, bulky TVs now?

But if you have a niche website for which there is demand for information and little supply, why should you continually change things? I make regular updates, but don't see the need for wholesale change.

Yes, people's Internet behaviour has changed, but apart from trying to replicate Facebook or Twitter, which we can't, what are we supposed to do? Some constructive criticism advising publishers what they should change, and how, would be better than simply criticising people who say they haven't changed anything.

After a very disappointing January, a disastrous February, and a disastrous start to March, things suddenly started returning to 'normal' (whatever that is with Adsense) on the 5th of this month. I haven't changed anything, apart from regular updates. At one stage I would have panicked and started to change things, thinking it was my fault. However, experience has shown me that whatever changes G makes behind the scenes, it affects my earning far more than anything I do.

HowYesNo




msg:4652616
 8:00 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Worst day this year, I had less ad impressions than unique visitors, whatever google.

SnowLeppard




msg:4652620
 8:34 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Clicks alone don't mean anything to Adwords customers unless specific goals are achieved... low quality clicks where the clicker was unlikely to do anything else after clicking through to the site.


Adwords users would do well to build their sites in 100% ajax and not use the Analytics events tracking code. Then they could get plenty of free clicks from me.

nomis5




msg:4652631
 9:12 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Regarding "lost" clicks. Is there a growing consensus that it's G which is under attack and not individual publishers / websites? It's the interpretation I put on the past few months but with no solid evidence.

If so, who is behind it and why?

Does anyone run a website without G analytics on it, and if so, have you been affected?

Lame_Wolf




msg:4652637
 9:20 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

I've seen clicks disappearing for several years now,

We all have.*

yet it only seems to have become an issue on this board recently.

Because this is different.


*Speaking for old-timers.

shydevil




msg:4652646
 10:21 am on Mar 10, 2014 (gmt 0)

Normally, I just read these forums, trying to learn more about Adsense and how to improve it, but this topic was really helpful.

I am getting less from ads each month. My blog used to earn around 200 euros a month, then it went to 142 in January. I made all changes I could, following Adsense suggestions. Revenue optimization went from 2 stars to 5, yet there is less and less money coming in.

I have improved SEO and boosted visits fro 12k a month to over 20k, there is no sign of invalid clicks, but revenue is going down all the time.

March is the worst, so far only 18 euros and I have started looking for alternatives.

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