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December 2013 AdSense Earnings and Observations
blairsp




msg:4627069
 7:57 pm on Dec 1, 2013 (gmt 0)

Terrible so far.

 

ember




msg:4629379
 6:45 pm on Dec 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

You'll probably find that media.net cannibalizes Adsense, or visa versa. You may earn a little more than you were with just Adsense, but chances are it that won't be that much more.

littlecubpanda




msg:4629463
 12:58 am on Dec 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Normal month.

Interest based vs. contextual is virtually the same RPM, as always for me.

CTR dropping off a bit recently, which concerns me.

Ger02




msg:4629637
 10:53 am on Dec 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Trying Media.net now. I noticed AdSense earnings drop more and more and running Media.net does not help but need to experiment. One good thing about Media.net is the efficient support. Also Media.net requires traffic from premium countries - US, UK etc.

AlmostFamous90210




msg:4630346
 8:21 am on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

Best day this year. However, still lower than any day in december last year with where I was performing only half the views a day I now bring.

Happy Holidays!

Frost_Angel




msg:4630429
 2:07 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

@Ger02
I am trying Media.net too. I got accepted yesterday and implemented it partially on my site. They said they need 21-30 days to really get a feel for the right ads to serve. But - it's going nowhere. 1000 impressions reaped me ZILTCH. That's not a good start. But like you - I need to try and go with the flow to see if I can "get away" from adsense. It's the boyfriend I can't seem to break up with. LOL

Ger02




msg:4630485
 5:19 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

@Frost_Angel

I am new to them as well but if you tell them what category of ads you think would best perform they will pass it on to the Media.net developers and after 2 weeks you will start to see those ads appearing. I am only running them on certain sections. I might check the visitorís country to determine AdSense ad or Media.net ad. Not sure yet but now the ads they are displaying now are definitely relevant. I might just give them the whole site for 2 weeks and see how they compare to AdSense.

webcentric




msg:4630521
 7:51 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

Last two days with Adsense have been like frozen molasses. Not moving. I find it interesting that the conversation has turned once again to Adsense alternatives and find it interesting that there still isn't a board on this site for Media.net (at least that I can find). Perhaps this is the thread where the Exodus from Adsense is to be chronicled (like watching a group of pilgrims wandering off into the desert, never to be seen again).

netmeg




msg:4630525
 8:21 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

Maybe, but bottom line is, even when it's down for most people, nothing pays like AdSense.

Frost_Angel




msg:4630533
 8:49 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

I like having options - even if some don't pay as well. Puts me in control and not them. Love that :-)

webcentric




msg:4630536
 9:05 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

Maybe, but bottom line is, even when it's down for most people, nothing pays like AdSense.


Over the long-haul Adsense could be seen in this light even if it seems to be weakening. Some would argue that your statement isn't accurate but I have no empirical evidence to the contrary so won't argue the matter. A music publisher might argue that ringtones do better (though recent changes in that field might quell that argument) or someone might say they do better with an Amazon storefront. If we're strictly talking PPC and/or impression revenue you still might get some argument on the subject but again, not from me at the moment. Diversity is still a good strategy in my book though.

BTW, it looks like a click dump is rolling in over the last hour or so. Hmmmm.

snickles121




msg:4630543
 9:36 pm on Dec 13, 2013 (gmt 0)

Test Results From Using Medianet with Adsense: Well after getting two days of testing done with both ad units it does not seem like it pays. Adsense earnings remained steady, however I believe adsense ads overtook Medianet because I only added about 1 percent additional revenue.

Conclusion: Not worth it for my specific niche, however it does not mean it won't work for another niche.

Turvey




msg:4630573
 1:25 am on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

I've come to the conclusion that search engines are starting to weaken whatever they are, Google, bing, yahoo, etc. People seem to be all twitter and facebook. I honestly feel now matter how hard people work that they are flogging a dead horse into the inevitable, could just be time to give up the fight and let destiny take its course.

webcentric




msg:4630596
 3:09 am on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

Test Results From Using Medianet with Adsense: Well after getting two days of testing done with both ad units it does not seem like it pays. Adsense earnings remained steady, however I believe adsense ads overtook Medianet because I only added about 1 percent additional revenue.


Really, two whole days? Did Media.net even start producing relevant ads in that time frame? How can you possibly call that a real test? Hey, this is an Adsense thread but if you're gonna claim to have compared something to Adsense, I'd argue that your test resembles a game of pin the tail on the donkey. Maybe it only takes a couple of carefully placed posts like this claiming some sort of scientific methodology to discredit something these days. What do I know?

Turvey




msg:4630634
 12:09 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

I agree 100% with webcentric that one can not compare media.net with adsense after 2 days (this would be on par with asking netmeg to be nice)

My argument is the fact that making more substance online has no effect, twitter and facebook are over-riding page views with search engines and chasing the low page views with more substance seems to be an ill effect. The story of adsense in my opinion is over. It was good at the time.

avalon37




msg:4630642
 1:21 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

I have attended multiple "Learn with Google" AdSense conferences in New York City, Boston & Los Angeles in the past year. One thing that is consistent from all 3 conferences is that AdSense is the consensus favorite ad network for publishers. It might not pay what it did last year, 5 years ago, etc. but when you look at all the factors - the majority of publishers (mostly premium publishers as well) will tell you that AdSense cannot be beat with any scale behind it. Sure, if you are in a very specific niche and your pageviews are under 100,000 a month perhaps there are better options. But when publishers with over 100 million pageviews a month are saying that after testing the majority of the ad networks out there that AdSense is still the best. Well then it's still the best - for the majority of publishers. I manage a site with over 300 million pageviews a month. And I've tested the other ad networks and they don't come close to the same CPM/RPM. Sure, they may be willing to do a fixed deal on mobile placement that outperforms AdSense in that same location - but that's one (or 2) smaller ad units in the big picture. To really beat AdSense, you've got to go direct with advertisers. And even with 300 million + pageviews a month few, if any, of the advertisers that are on my site (via AdSense) would return a call about a direct advertising deal because 300 million pageviews is small potatoes to them. Good luck mining for gold elsewhere, I can only relay the information from the conferences I have attended.

londrum




msg:4630659
 2:38 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

Two days is far too short a time to test ads. Unless you're getting bazillions of page views every day there is no way they're going to know what ads are the best. bear in mind that they have to show multiple ads tens of thousands of times to know which ones perform better.
And if media net is anything like adsense, then advertisers will probably be able to target your site with good ads. But you have no usable stats for them at the moment, so no advertiser is going to be interested.

I test adsense settings over a period of two weeks. But if it was a totally new advertising program then I would probably give it at least a month -- minimum.

ember




msg:4630670
 4:04 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

I've been using media.net for over a year. It took some time for the ads to target well, but once they did, they started to perform well. RPMs overall equal adsense. It seems to do best when it is not the only advertising block on the page.

And even with 300 million + pageviews a month few, if any, of the advertisers that are on my site (via AdSense) would return a call about a direct advertising deal because 300 million pageviews is small potatoes to them.


I don't get anywhere near 300 million pageviews a month, and I still can get direct advertisers. It isn't always about how many pageviews you have.

snickles121




msg:4630682
 5:37 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

I agree 2 days may not be a long enough time. But medianet was not anywhere close to adsense earnings and I doubt that more time would have made that much of a difference.

I know that adsense can put relevant ads on my site in a matter of a minutes even it is a new site. It should not take a month for a ad company to get relevant ads placed if they have the inventory.

ember




msg:4630683
 6:24 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

It goes without saying that media.net does not have the inventory that adsense does. Nobody does. And it is why media.net performs better in some niches than others. It happens to do well in a couple of mine.

explorador




msg:4630723
 9:39 pm on Dec 14, 2013 (gmt 0)

This week I had the highest day of the year, one of the highest days EVER, and a few high days, just that. Fridays are low, saturdays are way low. December is not a good month for my network so is interesting to see the latest numbers similar to november.

webcentric




msg:4630788
 4:03 am on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

I agree 2 days may not be a long enough time.


Yes, it's not. Have you never had a two day dead period with adsense? It's a drop in the bucket sample-wise. Also, responsiveness regarding how fast ads become relevant and overall performance over time may in fact be completely unrelated. If, as media.net purports, that it takes some time for them to dial in their ads,then you really have no results at all as to the effectiveness of the program over time e.g. after their ads are actually dialed in. I actually abandoned them for similar reasons, no patience for ads to take a month to catch up with my content but that's a completely different issue than whether they can compete with Adsense once, and if, their ads start matching your content well and perhaps once advertisers start competing to be on your site through. I'm no apologist for either program, but I think it's important to be real when comparing them. I actually just got off the phone with a US rep of theirs yesterday and agreed to give them another shot. This time they are designing an ad campaign to match the parameters and keywords built directly into my URL's. I'll be able to see how well they can match my topics and then be able to make actual revenue comparisons. I'll be happy to get back with everyone on this but it won't be two days from now or even a month I venture. The testing will be methodical and I'll be giving it the time I need to get a definitive answer for at least one niche. This niche has seasonal ebbs and flows to be considered and we're also looking at mobile production so there's a lot to look at. As far as I'm concerned, the verdict is out where Adsense vs Media.net is concerned but I'm going to get to the bottom of it for at least one specific set of circumstances. I'm having a crappy enough Adsense December to warrant the experimentation.

HowYesNo




msg:4630796
 5:22 am on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

lowest day since 2005, clicks are shaved like crazy, ctr is only 40/100 of average for december (and 15/100 ctr from 2005)

really strange day

londrum




msg:4630875
 4:10 pm on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

I know that adsense can put relevant ads on my site in a matter of a minutes even it is a new site. It should not take a month for a ad company to get relevant ads placed if they have the inventory.

does media net have anything like interest-based ads? (i haven't got a clue, I'm just interested to know).
presumably those ads would take quite a while to start working properly, because first of all they'd have to wait for a user to visit your site, then go and browse some other sites, and finally return to your site again. that's not something that they would have control over, and could take ages (days, weeks or even months). so that's another reason to give them more time ó there is a whole slew of ads that they cannot deliver in so short a time.

Mentat




msg:4630884
 5:52 pm on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

Really media.net is NOT an Adsense alternative!
No contextual ads, US only ads etc.
It's really a bad joke... a wishful thinking compared to adsense.

ember




msg:4630902
 6:39 pm on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

It's really a bad joke... a wishful thinking compared to adsense.


That is not true for everyone. It works for me.

webcentric




msg:4630905
 6:52 pm on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

Really media.net is NOT an Adsense alternative!
No contextual ads, US only ads etc.
It's really a bad joke... a wishful thinking compared to adsense.


Hmm. US ads might actually be relevant to US webmasters.

littlecubpanda




msg:4630915
 9:07 pm on Dec 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

A really bad day. Should recover later when certain TV shows come on. But it's been dismal. CTR way down. I've gone with the 338x280 ads and got rid of vertical ads... not sure if this is working, but I like the new text ad "square".

Jaideemaak




msg:4631069
 9:08 am on Dec 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

People seem to be all twitter and facebook.

I have come to the same conclusion. Even when I get traffic from Facebook it comes with a flurry and doesn't convert. One day earlier this year I got a record number of visitors to the landing page of the most visited part of my site courtesy of Facebook traffic. The result - no clicks and no revenue. Most of this traffic bounced and didn't continue exploring my site. They arrived and then left - presumably straight back to Facebook. My assumption was that they experienced withdrawal symptoms as soon as they left the cosy, reassuring environment of Facebook and wanted to return as quickly as possible.

explorador




msg:4631122
 1:45 pm on Dec 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

Again, weekends are low as usual on these days
shopping? I'm seeing loads of people on the streets and malls

People seem to be all twitter and facebook

True. I'm part of a regional forum that has huge traffic and it went down a bit, yesterday lots were discussing how everything has changed (related to end of year feeling) because most are having a virtual life on facebook, it's sad how some confessed to be part of that and they regret their addiction.

breeks




msg:4631162
 4:42 pm on Dec 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

Yesterday was a surprisingly good day, nearly double the same day last year.

Today looks promising.

JCKline




msg:4631166
 5:10 pm on Dec 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

In my 10 years as an AdSense publisher, I have never had a day as bad as yesterday. NOT ONE CLICK! Zero, zilch, nada! Only pennies for impressions. DEPRESSING.

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