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British Politician Falls Foul of Interest-based AdSense Ads
ChanandlerBong




msg:4555874
 7:15 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

Summary: On Twitter, Conservative MP in UK criticises a Labour Party webpage with "Date Arab Girls" ad at the top, Labour responds by pointing out he saw the ad only because of his previous interests/history/searches. Hilarity ensues.

[guardian.co.uk ]

 

Leosghost




msg:4555875
 7:19 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

Love it ..:)

jecasc




msg:4555876
 7:36 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

Exactly one of the reasons retargeting should be banned.

lucy24




msg:4555885
 8:52 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

Er... why? Because politicians have enough opportunities to make fools of themselves and don't need yet another?

Lame_Wolf




msg:4555886
 8:52 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

Without clearing my cache, I went to the guardian site to read the story. That site too has adsense running. I saw adverts for broadband comparison, brain exercises and heathrow airport - three things I have never searched for.

ChanandlerBong




msg:4555889
 8:56 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

I don't think you have to have actually searched for anything - it can go off your browsing history too if you've been on other sites setting Google cookies.

I was on a guitar site recently (never searched on G for anything related) and was interesting to see the ads over the following days: singing lessons, piano tuning, that type of thing. The ads aren't always directly related to anything obvious. It's possible that poor guy just did some searching for Cairo or Damascus flights and suddenly he's interested in wooing Arab women!

Lame_Wolf




msg:4555904
 9:45 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

I don't think you have to have actually searched for anything - it can go off your browsing history too if you've been on other sites setting Google cookies.
That's not it either. I've never been to such sites for them to follow me around.

Plus, i've just looked on the wife's craptop. She doesn't browse on it, and hasn't used it for months. Clean cache and no history to go with. I emailed her the URL. Installed a new browser.

Still got totally off-topic adverts.

This really is a non-story. Google will show whatever adverts they want (unless you block them.)

brotherhood of LAN




msg:4555913
 10:44 pm on Mar 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

yep, I don't think it necessarily means he visited or searched for "Date Arab Girls" sites... but obviously it can be spun that way by the opposing political parties... good on them for spinning it this way!

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4555931
 1:49 am on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

It's possible that poor guy just did some searching for Cairo or Damascus flights and suddenly he's interested in wooing Arab women!
Doesn't his resulting silence suggest otherwise? ;)
g1smd




msg:4555944
 2:34 am on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

Has this guy ever been involved with legislation for anything internet related? I hope not.

nomis5




msg:4556028
 11:38 am on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

What this proves is that you need to keep a good watch on exactly which adverts appear on your site. You can't control interest based ads but many others you can. I received complaints from viewers about mature dating ads appearing on one of my sites. They clearly weren't interest based.

Lame_Wolf




msg:4556031
 11:49 am on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

What this proves is that you need to keep a good watch on exactly which adverts appear on your site.

The problem with that is, you may not see the same adverts as other people.

I would like to have something on my site to say "if you see an offensive/inappropriate advert, to contact us"

But doing so will be a breach of the TOS.

Bring back the old days when you had adverts related to the subject matter.

netmeg




msg:4556075
 2:58 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

It's not going to happen, nor will retargeting be banned, ever, because it works. Advertisers want it.

Your best bet is a big honking notice that you're happy to sell direct ads.

jetteroheller




msg:4556081
 3:02 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

Can You imagine to buy color to paint a brake light?

This was only a bahvior commeon in the German Democatic Republic GDR before 1989, because a new lamp was expensive, so people painted them red again, when the color dimished.

A friend from me in earlier East Germany searched for such a color, and saw some weeks advertising for it.

engine




msg:4556143
 6:10 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure they are all IBAs. I clear my cookies and I still see ads for topics i've not searched for.

Either way, for me, IBAs are often too late as I already made the purchase.

netmeg




msg:4556203
 8:23 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

They probably can't show IBAs for every person for every search or on every site. So if they can determine in a split second that they have one available, they show it, and if they can't, well... they're still trying to sell *me* Russian Brides.

Sally Stitts




msg:4556205
 8:44 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

"Either way, for me, IBAs are often too late as I already made the purchase."

Ditto. Double ditto. Triple ditto.
A few days, sure.
SIX WEEKS? Insane.

lucy24




msg:4556226
 10:09 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

Metadata.

There are things you buy once, and things you buy over and over. There are things you buy right away, and things you research for a long time.

Was I looking for a restaurant or a real-estate agent? Was I looking up cheap flights to Aruba, or nursing homes in my area?

Advertisers may not know the difference today, but they will.

IanCP




msg:4556229
 10:21 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

IBA's follow me everywhere which is pretty stupid because I've already made my purchase on eBay, having satisfied myself on the specifications and suitability for my purposes elsewhere on the net.

So weeks, even months, of IBA's are completely wasted impressions on me.

Sally Stitts




msg:4556239
 11:22 pm on Mar 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

The pounding and pounding and pounding, every day, for weeks on end. Not good at all.
If I have seen the ad 100 times, how likely is it that I will click on #101?

And what about the fact that the penalty for clicking on your own ads is EXECUTION.
How hard is it for the algo to ask -
1. AdSense user? 2. Then don't serve Interest-Based ads.
How elemental is THAT?

Why try THAT HARD to get AdSense servers to commit hara-kiri?
I don't get it. What am I missing?
.

Lame_Wolf




msg:4556250
 12:00 am on Mar 19, 2013 (gmt 0)

What am I missing?

Didn't you know? they are going through a rebranding process. They are changing their name from Adsense to Nonsense.

netmeg




msg:4556411
 12:51 pm on Mar 19, 2013 (gmt 0)

The stuff that follows you around after a site is retargeting, and it's *not* the same as IBA. That's the advertiser's fault, because they don't configure it properly and set impression caps, and it's Google's fault for not properly training the advertisers.

lucy24




msg:4556591
 10:05 pm on Mar 19, 2013 (gmt 0)

Getting back to the original post:

It doesn't really matter whether the politician in question has or has not been studying "Date foreign girls whose standards are lower so they will be happy with anything you give them" sites. What matters is that he didn't know that the ads are determined by the visitor, not the site. That's what makes g1smd's question so pointed.

jetteroheller




msg:4556852
 3:41 pm on Mar 20, 2013 (gmt 0)

Some sites can cause IBA, for example I visited direct a site of a notebook vendor.

I see now everywhere Adsense ads for this vendor

netmeg




msg:4556880
 5:19 pm on Mar 20, 2013 (gmt 0)

Right. That's probably NOT IBA, it's retargeting.

londrum




msg:4556896
 6:37 pm on Mar 20, 2013 (gmt 0)

maybe it wasnt an IBA. how can we know without looking at the page? any arab-related word might have triggered it. its not unreasonable to think they might have mentioned an arab country on their political site.

nickreynolds




msg:4556956
 10:35 pm on Mar 20, 2013 (gmt 0)

Keep in mind the Guardian is a left wing paper and the politician is right wing.
The story seems to be looking to score some easy points. It generalises about personal interest ads as if that's the only reason he saw those ads.

Samizdata




msg:4556960
 11:13 pm on Mar 20, 2013 (gmt 0)

The story seems to be looking to score some easy points

It was the politician who was trying to score the easy points in his Tweet: "I know Labour are short of cash but having an invitation to 'date Arab girls' at top of your press release?"

Pointing out that he was utterly clueless seems reasonable.

...

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4556977
 2:05 am on Mar 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

^ Agreed! ^

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