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Adsense account suspended, I cannot find anything wrong
I looked through the quality guidelines
graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 11:06 am on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Adsense serving has been suspended and the email asked me to look at the Webmaster Quality Guidelines. I have been through every item.

I cannot find anything wrong. Its all original content (and plenty of it), the page they linked to as an example as plenty of words on it. There is no cloaking, I do not do link exchanges, there are no hidden links.

 

tristanperry



 
Msg#: 4289446 posted 11:48 am on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Seems to be an increasing number of these threads here recently? (Might be wrong though)

Sorry to hear it either way.

Out of interest, how many ads per page did you average?

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 11:58 am on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

I had two Google ads per page + one Dianomi PPA + Vibrant links + Google search box.

The stories are becoming more common, but there is usually some sort of reason. This is a well established content site, which has always stuck rigidly to Google's quality criteria.

rj87uk

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 1:03 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hi Graeme,

Do the Dianomi PPA or the Vibrant links look like the adsense ads?

RJ

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 2:16 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Not similar. The Vibrant links are green under-lined. Its the standard Vibrant format and lots of people use Vibrant with Google.

Dianomi ads have images and text next to each other, are positioned away from my Google ads, have different fonts and look, and have a Dianomi logo along the bottom right. Again, lots of people use them with Google (especially big sites in the UK).

IN any case, the email was clear it was a webmaster quality guidelines proble.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 2:24 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

What about your navigation?

I'd probably scout around to get some other opinions if it were me. Might be something you're just missing.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 4:00 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

I use related page links very heavily. Could that be a problem?

The page they gave as a sample is a small one with short text (174 words of actual main content), 8 related pages, another seven internal links in the main content, a standard footer with a link to my forum site, plus my standard navigation links (home, about, privacy policy, categories, five pages indexing the site, and one other link.).

It would seem a pity to take out the links, which are actually useful to visitors, because Google does not like them.

Should I remove related page links altogether?

netmeg

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 4:25 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

If your percentage of content is a lot smaller than your percentage of ads+navigation+header+footer+relatedlinks+whateverelse, then you're probably going to have a problem.

If your visitors find the links useful, then remove the AdSense.

ken_b

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 4:39 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Man, too many of these events recently.

174 words of actual main content

Hmmm... I wonder if that's enough content for the number of ads on the page?

Just to be clear, by the "Webmaster Quality Guidelines" you mean the general Google guidelines, not the AdSense specific policies and TOS, right?

On the Vibrant links, I'm not real familiar with their system. But I use Kontera and the number of links on a page can vary widely, the number of links can also be cranked up or down by Kontera at the publishers request if I recall right. So if there are alot of Vibrant links showing up, you might think about that.

Do the "related" links go to your own pages? If they go off site, could the content on the other site(s) be an issue?

Is there a possibility that the total ads on the page out weigh the content, either in substance or even just visually?

.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 4:51 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

@netmeg, the problem with removing Adsense is that it generates most of my income, and I cannot find an alternative that is as good.

Vibrant usually add only a few links per page, and they are not real links.

Google keep sending me messages telling me I can put more ads on. Left hand, meet right hand.

Anyway, I have removed the Google ads as a temporary measure, so the site now has a Dianomi ad and Vibrant on each page. I removed the related pages links, and put rel=nofollow on an iframe that contains the Dianomi ads (not valid!), and nofollowed a link to my forum site that appears on each page.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 5:11 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm only guessing, so don't just go by what I say; I don't know your site or your situation. But in general, if you have a lot of ads and links and little content, then you gotta either lessen or remove the ads, or increase the content. Ain't no two ways about that.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 5:48 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Show the page to someone who isn't involved with the site or has ever seen it. Ask them to give you their impression. If they say it looks like a Big Page O' Ads, then there's your problem. If they say it looks like a Big Page O' Links, then that's possibly your problem. Sometimes it is helpful to ask someone who is not web savvy, just a regular person, to give you their rapid impression about the site.

I'm not saying this is what it is, I haven't seen your page. But it sounds like it's possible the pages appear to their quality team as if they have little context except to show ads, with minimal meaningful content.

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4289446 posted 6:20 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

Show the page to someone who isn't involved with the site or has ever seen it


I've had a look and there's plenty of good quality, self-written content, in fact loads and loads of it, however I feel that there's a problem with the navigational structure that Google may not like.

It seems strange that they should pick up on this now but maybe someone's pointed it out to G as being "unclear".

I'm pretty sure if graeme_p sorts this out then he'll be smiling with the Google Gods again.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:08 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

HuskyPup made an excellent suggestion via sticky, that the positioning of the navigation was bad. I have changed that. Thanks.

maybe someone's pointed it out to G as being "unclear".


Someone has been making abusive comments about me and my wife on friends' and acquaintances' blogs and on a Facebook Group I set up. Its just possible that that they complained to Google, which I suppose would trigger a review.

The other thing that is striking is that I was heading to JUST beat a round number of dollars with my Adsense earnings for the first time. I wonder if that might trigger a review.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:50 pm on Mar 30, 2011 (gmt 0)

There is one benefit to not having Google ads. Pages load a lot faster.

rajivatre

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 6:21 am on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

@graeme_p: I have been on this forum for 4-5 years.
I know from reading your posts on forum that you are a serious webmaster and not the kind of kid who tries to setup blogs for quick bucks. (I have not seen any of your site.)

I fully believe that once the review process takes place your account with adsense will be restored.

But I would recommend one thing constantly follow up with adsense through emails, google adsense forum etc.
It seems there are many cases where sites have been reinstated.

Good luck

Thanks
Rajiv

Rockyou



 
Msg#: 4289446 posted 4:47 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

I think google is under new startegy to remove low performing website from its network. If you have saved cash from adsense, Try and buy some websites with good conversion ratio for advertisers. I think then your chance of getting suspended will be one in a million.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 5:07 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

I am back in. I got the email today.

Of course I still do not know what the problem was.

Thanks to everyone for their advice, especially HuskyPup who looked at the site and made useful suggestions.

I am going to try and diversify my ads though. Relying on Google this much is too stressful.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 5:28 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

Woot!

ken_b

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 5:36 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

Congratulations!

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4289446 posted 5:36 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

WooHoo...I'd love to know what did it :-)

rajivatre

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 7:13 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

he he great! Congratulations.

Thanks
Rajiv

koan

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:29 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

Happy for you graeme_p, it must have been a few stressful days. I don't really pay attention to these threads when posted by a newbie (happens all the time on other forums and they usually deserve it) but when it happens to a webmasterworld veteran, it's worrisome.

ember

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:32 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

Did you make changes and then ask for a review? Glad you are back in.

snickles121

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:57 pm on Mar 31, 2011 (gmt 0)

Im happy to hear you got back in. At least Google reads their emails!

Congrats!

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:23 am on Apr 1, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ember, yes I made several change. The problem is that I do not know which change was necessary.

The likeliest explanation was that they thought the navigation was confusing, as HuskyPup suggested. I am quite happy to have made those changes because it has also made the site small device friendly which I needed to do anyway.

It could also be the removal of "related pages" links, which pushed up the ratio of links to pages on small pages a lot.

Google could easily cover the cost of giving people (except tiny sites) better answers by reducing our share of revenues by about 1%.

I would love to know if I can re-introduce the related pages links at a different location (at the bottom of the page, instead of on the side below the navigation).

If I can find another network that pays comparably Adsense will go out and the related page links will come back in!

jinxed

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 8:52 am on Apr 1, 2011 (gmt 0)

I don't see why that would be a problem in the first place? Surely its just helpful for users.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4289446 posted 10:28 am on Apr 1, 2011 (gmt 0)

The suggestion was that Google would see it as an attempt to manipulate internal pagerank flow and anchor text.

CMidd



 
Msg#: 4289446 posted 10:27 am on Apr 6, 2011 (gmt 0)

graeme_p maybe someone from this forum narc on you LOL.

make sure you user name and adsense account, or email name isn't similar to you forum id, and make sure you never mentioned you site on this forum.

funny how your account gets banned right after you post about Adsense [webmasterworld.com...]

also your other post you sent a email to google asking permission to do X. that probably forced a review and led to the ban.

CMidd



 
Msg#: 4289446 posted 10:29 am on Apr 6, 2011 (gmt 0)

but who cares, you back, Congratulations.

What has exactly changed?

What did you remove or change.

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