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How to removed copied material before applying for Adsense
rag_gupta




msg:4283472
 3:58 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

I was a newbie about six months ago when I started a new site with some "copied" material.
Only recently did I come to know that no company would allow me to publish ads on it.

This site is catering to niche area and getting 50-70 targeted visitors daily.
(This thread is for my another site for which Adsense has denied approval: [webmasterworld.com...] )

I've 2-3 copied articles and plenty of product faq pages from related sites which is not copyrighted.

Now my question is:

  • How do I go about removing the copied pages? If I just remove, it'll generate 404's and lower my site's rankings?
  • The product faq's which I've copied is not not copyrighted, can I use rel=canonical tag to show it's original source?

[edited by: incrediBILL at 4:29 am (utc) on Mar 18, 2011]
[edit reason] fixed broken link [/edit]

 

koan




msg:4283474
 4:22 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

The product faq's which I've copied is not not copyrighted


How do you know? Every original content published is copyrighted by default unless stated otherwise.

rag_gupta




msg:4283478
 4:36 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm ready to remove that too, because it may still lead rejection of Adsense application.
For example can't you post "Microsoft Windows 7 product features faq's" on your site?

koan




msg:4283500
 6:12 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

For example can't you post "Microsoft Windows 7 product features faq's" on your site?


This faq belongs to the people / company who wrote it. Now I'm sure this type of content gets passed around a lot and may lead to people believing over time it's free to use, and in that case, Microsoft probably doesn't mind because it's somewhat promotional material, but legally, you can't know unless it is specifically stated on Microsoft's page that you can copy it. Google probably wouldn't object too much to seeing on a site either if it's an exception and that site has otherwise 99% original material. However, if the whole point of a site is to republish this type of content and make money out of it.. then that site has no value and will be rightfully refused.

If you like an article on the web, just link to it, don't copy it.

Rockyou




msg:4283508
 6:37 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Google is in no monkey business to keep monitoring each and every website manually, Its better you don't apply for adsense. Apply only when you have a 1000 visitor daily minimum & original content or ask Lame Wolf he will explain you better.

[edited by: Rockyou at 6:43 am (utc) on Mar 18, 2011]

rag_gupta




msg:4283509
 6:38 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Thanks I will remove all those. Can you please answer my first question:

"How do I go about removing the copied pages? If I just remove, it'll generate 404's and lower my site's rankings?"

leadegroot




msg:4283576
 9:22 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

If you don't have anything that is a 'replacement' for it, then you'll have to 404 it.
You could 301 to the homepage, but it sounds like you'd be doing that to a lot of pages - not really hat you want.

rj87uk




msg:4283600
 10:41 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Do you have any original content that you wrote or paid someone else to write for you?

Leosghost




msg:4283615
 11:21 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

A 404 means it cant be "found "( but might be "found" again later ..as in you might want to put it back ..or something ) ..search engines will carry on looking for it though especially if people have linked to it ..

A 410 means "permanently" gone ..but you want to be real sure that you mean it ( ie you have no intention of putting it back someday )..a search engine will then stop looking for it ..even if peope have linked to it ..read the apache forum here to understand the differences and the whys.

rag_gupta




msg:4283621
 11:39 am on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

I do have couple of pages of original content. Around 10 pages I've are product faq's of different companies.
410 will be extreme step because I lose all PR earned as well as hit's and links to that page. I think I'll fill in my own original articles even if I add only single link text. That'd be better than a 404.
Before applying Adsense I think I should wait for 60 days after updating article with "orginal" content. May be if they check their caches and find my old copied material, it'll give bad impression.

Lame_Wolf




msg:4283629
 12:52 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

"How do I go about removing the copied pages?



Just delete them, or keep the page[s] but with original content. (ie. not rehashed content)

If I just remove, it'll generate 404's and lower my site's rankings?"

So, you want to rank highly for other people's copyrighted content ?

BTW, this was from the Indian Government site...

Material featured on this Portal may be reproduced free of charge after taking proper permission by sending a mail to us. However, the material has to be reproduced accurately and not to be used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Wherever the material is being published or issued to others, the source must be prominently acknowledged. However, the permission to reproduce this material shall not extend to any material which is identified as being copyright of a third party. Authorisation to reproduce such material must be obtained from the departments/copyright holders concerned.

Did you send an email to them asking for permission ? Because the source wasn't prominently acknowledged. I cannot see any acknowledgement anywhere, let alone a prominent one.

All I did see was your site name with a {tm} next to it. I very much doubt it is trademarked.

Your best bet is to dump your present ideas and make a site from scratch with original content. That means content that is not re-hashed, copied, b@stardized, stolen etc.

Why not make a site about your area ? Places to visit, not to visit, places to eat, sleep and be entertained, history of the place etc etc

THAT will more than likely get you your adsense account. But before doing anything, read the Adsense TOS, then read it again and understand it. Once you have done that, read it again.

No doubt your name and site[s] are already flagged by Adsense.

Lame_Wolf




msg:4283632
 12:59 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

This site is catering to niche area and getting 50-70 targeted visitors daily.


I can go for a piss and when I return, i'd have had more visitors than that. The site sounds very young, so best to make changes now.

If I just remove, it'll generate 404's and lower my site's rankings?"


Well, if you are only receiving "50-70 targeted visitors daily" it's hardly a SERP worth chasing is it ? Not yet anyway.

410 will be extreme step because I lose all PR earned as well as hit's and links to that page.


I am guessing here, but as your site sounds young, and with so few visitors, then what are we talking about... PR1 ? PR2 ?

Stop trying to flog a dead horse.
Read the Google guidelines, read the Adsense TOS... Then learn them. It's your only way.

rag_gupta




msg:4283640
 1:17 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hi Lame_Wolf
You seem to be a veteran. Please don't correlate my previous thread with this one. Both are independent. The site I'm talking about in this thread has nothing to do with the previous website. I've many more websites coming up.
It seems to be a common psychology of many to police and chide the "looks to be the bad guy".
I clearly asked for technical advice. I'm bored of all these moralistic rant.

Rockyou




msg:4283649
 1:30 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

I clearly asked for technical advice. I'm bored of all these moralistic rant.


Your next post I am behind bars please help me!

Previous site is a risk you are playing, If any of those forms are wrong or misspelled, you can be behind bars & Lawsuit on you. Are u crazy what kind of risk you want to take to make few bucks?

Lame_Wolf




msg:4283668
 2:09 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

You seem to be a veteran.

An old sage, yes.

Please don't correlate my previous thread with this one.


You started it by mentioning the other thread.

Both are independent.


Then don't mention the other thread.

The site I'm talking about in this thread has nothing to do with the previous website.


Yes, and in this thread, you asked...
How do I go about removing the copied pages?

I told you, as did others.

BTW means By The Way. And as you had already referred to your other thread, then I was right to mention it in this thread about the Government rules about reposting their content.

From what I have seen from your posts, you have not bothered to read (and understand) the TOS/Guidelines from Adsense, nor from the sites that you took material from, and also broke the WebmasterWorld TOS by posting URL's. 3 out of 3 TOS's you have broken. Not bad, eh ?

I've many more websites coming up.


Don't you think you should be concentrating on your present sites first ?

It seems to be a common psychology of many to police and chide the "looks to be the bad guy".


Not at all. I wasn't the one asking why you were not allowed in. We've told you why, as did Adsense. Sorry I didn't reply with my message wrapped up in cotton wool for you.

I clearly asked for technical advice.


And it was clearly given.

I'm bored of all these moralistic rant.


I am bored with people taking content and images from other sites. There is nothing moralistic about it. You wanted opinions, you got them.

I am also bored with people going "bah-wah" why wasn't my site with copied, re-hashed, stolen content not accepted by xyz company. Or, "i've been banned by Adsense" because I didn't know you couldn't take other peoples work and monetize it... or "my webmaster did it, and I didn't know"

It doesn't wash with people in here, and it certainly won't wash with the people at Google.

Or, would you rather waste more time on your form site, to find out you are going to be rejected again for another reason?

incrediBILL




msg:4283673
 2:17 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

<mod hat>
Let's keep this about the technology, respectful to the question asked, not about the personalities, other threads, etc. Please discuss the issue at hand and not each other.

K?
</mod hat>

Lame_Wolf




msg:4283674
 2:19 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

I understand what you are saying incrediBILL, and we've tried giving the advice. All we have to do now is get them to hear and understand it. We don't want the person failing again, do we ?

explorador




msg:4283693
 2:44 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Nevermind, post removed.

PS. After years being here, I'll be thankful on any good advice.

[edited by: explorador at 3:22 pm (utc) on Mar 18, 2011]

londrum




msg:4283698
 2:56 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

if it was me, and i wasnt making much money on the site through other means, then i would just dump the whole site and start again with another subject.

otherwise you are going to have to constantly keep this thing updated, which i imagine is going to be a lot of work (i have seen the site). chuck in all these legal headaches that you're worrying about, and its just not worth it.

even if you do manage to get accepted for adsense then you're never going to make decent money on it, because people aren't coming to the site to buy stuff. they are coming to download free forms. why would they click on the ads?

unless its a labour of love, dump the site. start again.

rag_gupta




msg:4283787
 6:13 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hello Lame_Wolf - I had to mention my past thread otherwise most would have confused this thread to be another version of my previous thread - in short a spam.
Moreover I've clearly mentioned my questions.

Secondly a few have mentioned that since my site is getting 50-70 visitors per day will be too worthless to apply for Adsense.
This judgement is short-sighted.
In the niche area in India there are only 7000 subscribers to a payment product. Out of 50 even if 10 bona-fide would-be customers come to my site daily -- yearly it'd be more than 3000! It's a big thing. Also for the niche area there are no competitors to my site.
Adsense earning may not be important to me.

Out of many ventures some will be in loss, some will succeed. I'd drop the failed ones.

Lame_Wolf




msg:4283899
 10:02 pm on Mar 18, 2011 (gmt 0)

Moreover I've clearly mentioned my questions.

And we have clearly answered them, and more on top. So far you have mentioned one site which was declined for one reason, and then another. Yet there are more problems with said site than what Adsense gave you. We are trying to save you time, energy and possible lawsuits.

The 2nd site that you mentioned (as the one in this thread) will also get you declined. You've already said that you have copied content, and other content that (you think) is not copyrighted. So you haven't learnt your lesson from the first time.

We are trying to help, but you are not helping yourself.

Koan rightly pointed out that "Every original content published is copyrighted by default unless stated otherwise."

Secondly a few have mentioned that since my site is getting 50-70 visitors per day will be too worthless to apply for Adsense.
This judgement is short-sighted

In your opinion. Google is not a cash machine. They have criteria, and if they think that it is not worth it, they will decline it. I am not saying they will, but there is a big chance they will.

You've said that this site has a "couple of pages of original content. Around 10 pages I've (sic) are product faq's of different companies."

You've said you'll remove them, so how many pages will be left ?

If I were you, and you really had to keep this present site, then spend some time removing the copied content, build up the pages with content that you have written. Work on gaining the SERPS and visitors, then re-apply.

And don't forget, if you do get allowed in, you will need your privacy policy updated.

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