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Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 6:17 am on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

I was looking for something through Google images and clicked on one of the thumbnail images. Instead of going to the site in question, a page appeared stating that it could be harmful to visit the site. That message was from Google.

I then decided to type this address into Google search. It took me to the site and tried to install a Trojan.

Top marks so far for Google.

However, once I am at the site, I am presented with Google adverts.

So, one part of Google can inform the user of a Trojan site, yet it cannot inform the other side of Google to stop showing adverts.

 

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 7:20 am on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Good point and Google has a lot of disconnects like that where their various products don't quite share the information properly.

zdgn

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 6:26 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Google has a lot of disconnects like that where their various products don't quite share the information properly

Wasn't it Matt Cutts who said in an interview recently that Google's advertising and search are deliberately kept apart from each other? If I remember correctly, the analogy he used was Church and State.

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 7:04 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Wasn't it Matt Cutts who said in an interview recently that Google's advertising and search are deliberately kept apart from each other? If I remember correctly, the analogy he used was Church and State.

The Church and State are separate, but also joined.
Advertising and search are separate, but they too are joined. They are owned by the same people. But IIRC Matt was talking about bots rather than other things.

What it could do is...
Search bot comes along and spiders the site. Notices it has malware/trojans/etc.
Now it is red flagged. This triggers another bot to come along and checks to see if it has adsense. If so, adverts stop being displayed.

WolfLover

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 8:06 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

What I totally don't understand is why people are so disgusting they want to infect someones computer in the first place? I know some of them want to get your personal information, but other ones just ruin your computer, along with your whole day, but they don't get the "satisfaction" of seeing how upset you are, so WHAT is their big thrill?

ALso, why would someone risk their AdSense account with such foolishness?

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 8:16 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

wolflover, they could have been hacked.
Possible, but if that is the case, then they do not check their site very often... nor their SERPS, otherwise they would have seen the warning messages.

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 8:50 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Possible, but if that is the case, then they do not check their site very often... nor their SERPS, otherwise they would have seen the warning messages

For instance, I check my site all day long.

If one specific page were hacked, I probably wouldn't notice, 100Ks of pages.

Rarely ever check my SERPs, waste of time, I use analytics to see how I'm performing

However, I do look at Webmaster Tools often and if it didn't tell me I was hacked I might never know assuming a customer didn't tell me beforehand.

Here's the important part of what I mean by disconnects.

a. Google has each webmaster register their site for:
1. Google Analytics,
2. AdSense,
3. AdWords or
4. Webmaster Tools.

b. If the crawler detects a malicious page on a site, odds are that site is registered by with Google in one or more of the 4 programs above.

c. Google has your current email address and most possibly a gmail address both associated with one of the 4 accounts mentioned

Therefore, if the crawler detects anything like a hacked page there is nothing stopping Google from immediately notifying the webmaster, especially if there's a gmail account associated with the compromised server.

Also, don't forget that Google is a registrar and as such has complete access to every domain registration record that exists. Assuming you didn't opt for a private registration, Google still has your direct email address. Even if you did opt for a private registration, the privacy registry will forward the email to your actual email address.

So, you see what I mean when I say there are a lot of disconnects?

[edited by: incrediBILL at 8:57 pm (utc) on Oct. 25, 2009]

IanCP

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 8:53 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Possible, but if that is the case, then they do not check their site very often... nor their SERPS, otherwise they would have seen the warning messages

I have some recollection in the back of my mind of reading somewhere that these harmful sites are contacted and advised by Google. Maybe only through Webmaster Tools if you are subscribed.

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 10:06 pm on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Rarely ever check my SERPs, waste of time

Not really. Sometimes you see a new site and wonder how that "just appeared" or, in this instance, if it had been my site, I would have noticed Google's comments in Google Search. [This site may harm your computer.]

I did report it, and I have literally just gone back to the site. The trojan has now gone.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 9:33 am on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

What I totally don't understand is why people are so disgusting they want to infect someones computer in the first place?

A bit off-topic, but its important. They do it for the money. Botnets for DDOS and spam. Changing ads (e.g. substituting their adsese code for yours), automated ad clicks (rare) or directing you to their websites.

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 11:13 am on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

I just went back there, and the trojan is still there. Oh well.

zett

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 1:19 pm on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

I was looking for something through Google images and clicked on one of the thumbnail images. Instead of going to the site in question, a page appeared stating that it could be harmful to visit the site. That message was from Google.

Now, wouldn't it be even better if they -instead of just warning the user- just removed the site from the SERPs?

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 5:28 pm on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

It would, Zett.
But what if the site was hacked, and it was your site ? I bet you wouldn't be pleased that your site just vanished. I am surprised that even now adsense is still being displayed. It doesn't look good on Google IMO.

purplecape

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 6:06 pm on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Now, wouldn't it be even better if they -instead of just warning the user- just removed the site from the SERPs?

I believe that they do, if the problem isn't fixed in a certain period of time. Sorry, can't remember where I read that...

IanCP

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 2:40 am on Oct 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

On topic, kinda, lately I've been searching for certain drivers.

Now you get directed by Google to herds of sites for drivers? Right?

What totally peed me off were sites showing "download ads" NOT from the site but from "almost disguised" AdSense ads where it is difficult to differentiate between your download [mostly scraping from elsewhere anyway] and AdSense ads.

Oh, no satisfaction! At all!

I need to spend a week touring these sites and spend a lot of time complaining comprehensively [with established facts] to Google.

End of the day? No driver I wanted/needed.

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 4:31 pm on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well, I reported the site to adsense on the day I reported it here. (28th Ocotober)

It is now the 11th November and adverts are still being shown. (The site still
tries to infect you).

I think it is terrible that Google allows such a breach of the TOS to continue for so long.

marcel

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 5:22 pm on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well, I reported the site to adsense on the day I reported it here. (28th Ocotober)

It is now the 11th November and adverts are still being shown. (The site still
tries to infect you).


Have you also tried informing the website owner? they may not be aware of the problem.

Lame_Wolf

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Msg#: 4012951 posted 6:57 pm on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Have you also tried informing the website owner? they may not be aware of the problem.

No.
Google has already flagged the site as infected. If the owners don't know yet, they never will.

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