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Want to Earn More with AdSense?
The Answer May Lie Outside of the AdSense Forum
martinibuster




msg:3933331
 5:01 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

The AdSense forum has lots of good information but there is a lot of awesome information outside of the AdSense forum that will be useful for AdSense publishers seeking to improve their AdSense income. Many of the issues affecting AdSensers, involve answers found on the other forum categories within WebmasterWorld. I'm going to post links to discussions that may be useful to the AdSene publisher who feels they aren't earning enough and want to improve.

In order for AdSense to work, your site visitors, at least a percentage of them, must be interested in buying things. Learning the basics of earning on the web OUTSIDE of AdSense is important in order to earn significantly INSIDE AdSense. There is NO get rich quick recipe. You can't buy this for twenty dollar or find it on a WAHM site. Study.

Finding profitable niches [webmasterworld.com]

Fuzzy is good [webmasterworld.com]

Optimizing for obscure phrases [webmasterworld.com]

Look into my eyes
[webmasterworld.com...]

Improving content site revenue
[webmasterworld.com...]

Ugly sites sell
[webmasterworld.com...]

Word concepts
[webmasterworld.com...]

Note: A subscription is required for access to the WebmasterWorld Supporters Forums.

[edited by: engine at 10:30 am (utc) on June 15, 2009]
[edit reason] Added note [/edit]

 

2clean




msg:3933450
 11:58 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Goto 10.

realmaverick




msg:3933498
 1:22 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thanks MB. :)

bloke in a box




msg:3933544
 2:28 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Get subscribing then! :)

netmeg




msg:3933566
 3:05 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

This isn't meant to be an item about subscription, but I happily subscribe every year because the information I get (mostly from the *free* forums) and the contacts I've made are well worth it, and I want to support the board and make sure it stays around.

All that said - martinibuster's premise is spot on. Make your site attractive and/or useful to buyers, and you'll do well with AdSense AND affiliate programs.

tim222




msg:3933583
 3:17 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)


Off topic:
It is not about getting more for a fee
but about helping YOUR/OUR WebmasterWorld to be kept ad free
and sharing in related forum cost.

If they had an option to donate I would do that. But it's a subscription, not a donation. The annual cost here is triple what I contribute to the local zoo. If they want donations they need to make it more reasonable. This isn't a dating site for crying out loud.

It's too bad this turned into a discussion on subscription because the original post by MB is very interesting. I don't think he intended to use it into a teaser to get people to subscribe... it was just an unfortunate choice of links.

buckworks




msg:3933646
 5:15 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Discuss this:

In order for AdSense to work, your site visitors, at least a percentage of them, must be interested in buying things. Learning the basics of earning on the web OUTSIDE of AdSense is important in order to earn significantly INSIDE AdSense.

That is the vital point here.

signor_john




msg:3933653
 5:26 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

That is the vital point here.

Yes, and another way of putting it might be:

"AdSense is an add-on. It's what you add it to that counts."

incrediBILL




msg:3933686
 5:52 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Never really found any information in the subscriber forums that couldn't be found elsewhere for free.

I may read other webmaster forums now and then, but I subscribe only to one...

It costs a lot to maintain the FREE information, dedicated servers massive bandwidth, etc. and often the FREE information I've found on WebmasterWorld has saved me countless hours of work trying to figure out some problem which is more than worth the price of the subscription.

I've been a subscriber long before I was a moderator, and I'm still a subscriber even as a moderator because I still find the information more valuable than the time I'm donating to WebmasterWorld.

For instance, the contents linked from this single page maintained by Tedster in Google Search is worth more than the price of any eBook about SEO or AdSense combined and more than worth the price of an annual subscription:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Many of the topics listed on that page will help anyone running AdSense get more traffic and more money, I use that list all the time to make sure I'm keeping up-to-date with the current Google trends.

AdSense isn't worth squat if you haven't done everything else right to maximize your site's value.

Here's an old post you might find useful:
[webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: incrediBILL at 5:54 pm (utc) on June 15, 2009]

incrediBILL




msg:3933700
 6:04 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Martinibuster overlooked these 2 classic posts by Brett himself:

101 Signals of Quality : Keywords in File Path
[webmasterworld.com...]

101 Signals of Quality - The WebPage Title
[webmasterworld.com...]

2 very basic things that have lots of nuances that can make or break how your site is perceived.

acac




msg:3933715
 6:21 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Here are the only links (filtered from above) which are available to non-paid-subscribers (like me):
Finding good affiliate niches [webmasterworld.com...]

Optimizing for obscure keyphrases
[webmasterworld.com...]

Google hot topics FAQ
[webmasterworld.com...]

Unlock the limits of AdSense earnings potential
[webmasterworld.com...]

buckworks




msg:3933716
 6:22 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

AdSense isn't worth squat if you haven't done everything else right to maximize your site's value.

- Quality content (in a topic area that's attractive to advertisers)
- Good site structure
- Good page structure
- Savvy promotion
- ____________

ADDED: It's inappropriate to turn this thread into a whine-fest about links to articles in the supporter's forum. There is serious and useful food for thought in the opening post with or without following all the links.

martinibuster




msg:3933734
 6:34 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

It may be time to consider expanding the range of discussions we are participating in. Participating is the best way I know for improving. AdSense performance begins and ends with your website. It's not always about what percentage Google is sharing, how relevant the ads are, or how much advertisers are paying. A large part of what determines how well AdSense performs depends on the website itself. This isn't just about the ideas or recipes of how to find a niche, how to create content either, but the way of thinking that will improve your AdSense performance.

Link development is at the heart of many promotional efforts for increasing readers and rankings. If you want to increase your AdSense performance then you should consider heading over there. None of that great information on how to improve your site is going to be found in the AdSense forum.

Tips For Attaining One Way Inbound Links
[webmasterworld.com...]

If your site is about products not ideas, then this might be useful. If it's not immediately apparent how it could be useful, use that post as a springboard for thinking about how your content could be changed to make it a better agent for recommending products.

Copy That Sells
They laughed when I sat down to play...
[webmasterworld.com...]

Here is a post by Graywolf that I consider a roadmap for any webmaster that wants to expand the reach of their site, that desires a larger audience, and wants to create it in a way that is useful for their users and increases the authority of your original website.

Halo Media & Social Media - Making it Part of Your Marketing Plan
How to incorporate different social media efforts into your website
[webmasterworld.com...]

incrediBILL




msg:3933758
 7:17 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

As a matter of fact, planning how much you need to earn and plotting a course to earn it is a simple business strategy often overlooked.

Reasonable AdSense Goal - $6000/month
[webmasterworld.com...]

Beyond that simple math, I have an annual spreadsheet broken down by month to plan my income goals of which AdSense is just one part, with projected and actual amounts, and some monetization goals are often met or exceeded while others fall short.

The bottom line there is at the end of the year I almost always meet the complete goal as everything averages out.

It's just a matter or setting a goal and putting a plan into place to acheive it.

Here's a nice refresher course to reboot your thinking process:

The Five P's of Effective Web Development
Purpose, People, Personality, Presentation and Performance
[webmasterworld.com...]

icedowl




msg:3933783
 8:03 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

This thread is absolutely priceless. The links that I can access are certainly going into my favorites list. Keep them coming!

I only wish I could afford to become a subscriber but at this time I'm operating on a shoestring and the other half would never let me hear the end of it. I get enough flack when I buy a $40 book.

ogletree




msg:3933785
 8:09 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Keywords rich URl's is kind of outdated. It is better to keep URL's short. Keyword Rich URL's tend to make for very long URL's.

incrediBILL




msg:3933795
 8:21 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I only wish I could afford to become a subscriber but at this time I'm operating on a shoestring and the other half would never let me hear the end of it.

Not sure about your jurisdiction, but here we call it a business write off.

It's actually a deduction, an expense that offsets income on that shoestring budget. ;)

BTW, if you never read the classic Brett Tabke post, the original SEO book IMO, try this:

Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone
26 steps to 15k a day.
[webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: incrediBILL at 8:27 pm (utc) on June 15, 2009]

icedowl




msg:3933801
 8:26 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

<off topic>
The jurisdiction here is Nevada, which if I'm not mistaken is your neighbor to the east. The wallet involved is found in the other half's pocket. The grouchy other half who can't understand why I spend so much time at my computer when he spends all of his with his two Harley's.
</end off topic>

willybfriendly




msg:3933807
 8:32 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

www.company.com/widgets/brand/model.htm

Not too long, intuitive and keyword rich.

Somewhere, long ago, on this site I read about structuring a site like a pyramid. (That one should be linked to here as well.) The pyramid approach can give structure to the site, the navigation and the URI's all at the same time.

Also, one of my favorites - [webmasterworld.com...] (and related, this - [webmasterworld.com...] )

A brandable domain, vs. keyword stuffed, is different than a logical file structure using keywords.

[edited by: encyclo at 11:39 pm (utc) on June 15, 2009]
[edit reason] fixed link [/edit]

willybfriendly




msg:3933811
 8:36 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

OK, I found them:

[webmasterworld.com...]

[webmasterworld.com...]

netmeg




msg:3933832
 9:01 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

This thread should be permanently pinned to the top.

greenleaves




msg:3933859
 9:50 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

good thread. I've read most of what is on here, but it's nice to have a selection of the best all time threads.

Funny how an overview thread like this doesn't really fit one category... I almost skipped this thread because I saw it was about adsence... which I hardly use. Fortunately it peaked my curriousity.

Anyway, here are a few really good threads that deserve mention:

Good advice on how to make money as an affiliate. Generic and simle advice, but worth the read:
[webmasterworld.com...]

A good overview of something many webmasters pass up... offline link building:
[webmasterworld.com...]

On site optimization factors that not only make your site more accessible, but also a better candidate for ranking high:
[webmasterworld.com...]

That last thread I really had to look for. I had to open an old back up where I had an MSN conversation history saved that had that link... I was showing it to someone I knew when I first read it.

ogletree




msg:3933880
 10:19 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

willybfriendly that is a good short URL structure. The article was talking about longer URL's with dashes. If you need dashes your url's are too long.

signor_john




msg:3933897
 11:02 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Short URLs aren't the secret of earning more from AdSense (or other revenue sources, for that matter).

celgins




msg:3933899
 11:07 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Link development is at the heart of many promotional efforts for increasing readers and rankings.

Very true. About 1.5 years ago, I started using some of Brett's "Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone" tips. I'm not using Google Adsense exclusively, but those tips placed me on page one of the SERPS for a popular keyphrase.

I haven't moved from the top 5 since.

ogletree




msg:3933906
 11:30 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

signor_john short URL's can improve AdSense. Shorter URL's help you get more links makes your site look less spammy. Both of those things will make you more money.

signor_john




msg:3933927
 12:44 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

signor_john short URL's can improve AdSense.

There all kinds of little things that can improve sites with or without AdSense. But the real way to prosper from advertising is to concentrate on the fundamentals of publishing: finding the right topic, reaching the right audience, and providing content that will attract both readers and advertisers.

dibbern2




msg:3933934
 12:56 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think MB's list is great, so thanks, MB.

One basic component I'd add: spend as much time learning in the Google Search forum as you spend here, or EVEN more.

rajivatre




msg:3934140
 8:58 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Again off topic may be, but this forum is about adsense so why can't it use google adsense for advertising.
That way most of the concerns of incrdiBill can be taken care of.

signor_john




msg:3934372
 2:21 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Again off topic may be, but this forum is about adsense so why can't it use google adsense for advertising.
That way most of the concerns of incrdiBill can be taken care of.

Probably because few members would click on the ads, either because they're afraid of clicking on any AdSense ads or because--just as likely--they dislike advertising that isn't earning money for them. :-)

IMHO, the fact that Webmaster World has very little advertising (and that most of the advertising is for its own conferences) illustrates an important point: Know your audience, and try to monetize your traffic in a way that will work with that audience. As Martinibuster said at the beginning of this thread, "In order for AdSense to work, your visitors, or at least a percentage of them, must be interested in buying things." Brett Tabke, the owner of Webmaster World, knows that conferences and Webmaster World Supporter Forum subscriptions are more likely to generate income for WW than AdSense ads are, so he doesn't waste his time fiddling with AdSense and complaining that members don't click.

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