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New ad unit update issues with dropdown menus
New Google ads won't display properly on site with dropdown ads.
markis00




msg:3873805
 10:28 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello,

recently with the Google update to some of their ad codes, we have noticed an alarming problem. On one of our sites we use a dropdown menu. Before the updates, the ad used to show overtop the menu. Now the menu shows overtop the ads. We have considered using iframes to solve the problem, but this no longer appears to be an option in Adsense configuration manager. Couple questions (and yes we have contacted Adsense support twice now with no reply yet).

1> Will using iframes solve the problem and has anyone else experienced problems with the new code. I saw another guy on the forums with a similar cascading problem where his ads didn't move in relativity to the page but this appears to be a different issue then our own.

2> Is using iframes still acceptable under the ToS. I would appreciate if someone could tell me without me being told to go read the ToS. That will take a long time and this is easier.

Thanks for any help at all. I would be more then happy to send the URL of said site to any and all parties interestign in helping me. If anyone else has the problem please let me know and if we find a resoloution I will PM them the answer on the fix.

edit: descript line should read "New Google ads won't display properly on site with dropdown menus."

- Mark

 

mysticalsock




msg:3873838
 11:17 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

If I understand the problem correctly you could try changing the z-index in the css for your drop down menu.

koan




msg:3873864
 12:00 am on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure I understood correctly but normally, per Google's guidelines, you can't have dynamic menus going over any of their ads.

markis00




msg:3873926
 3:28 am on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sorry. I did that wrong. I wanted it to say the menu used to go over the ads. Now the menu goes underneath the ads and we want it to display overtop them again.

Thus it is a "cascading menu dropdown" problem
mysticalsock, thanks for that suggestion. I will see if that helps.

thegreatpretender




msg:3873931
 3:41 am on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Could be a simple div placement. Try wrapping the code with divs and use absolute position.

markis00




msg:3874020
 7:27 am on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thank you. Hopefully by the time Adsense support gets back to us we will be able to solve the problem. I will let you know what worked.

JS_Harris




msg:3874038
 8:35 am on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'll be surprised if they don't inform you that you cannot have a menu cover their ad, it's against adsense TOS and the reason they go to great lengths to have their ad appear above everything else.

As for using a drop down menu from inside of an iframe, you'll render the site un-crawlable unless you have a secondary menu on the same page.

markis00




msg:3874587
 8:12 pm on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Again, I dont want the ad to cover the menu. The post was asking how to get it to stop doing that. we are trying absoloute position now and will let you know how it worked out.

markis00




msg:3874593
 8:20 pm on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Z index 1 worked. The menu is now showing over the ad instead of the ad showing over the menu. Thanks for the input!

AdSenseAdvisor




msg:3874622
 9:15 pm on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is anyone else having trouble with this? I'm specifically interested in anyone who's tried the solution that worked for markis00 without success.

If it's a widespread problem without a solution that works for everyone, I'm happy to look into it.

ASA

markis00




msg:3874888
 4:13 am on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Silverbytes has posted another thread like this one. I will help him out and tell him what worked.

Lame_Wolf




msg:3874899
 4:35 am on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I would appreciate if someone could tell me without me being told to go read the ToS. That will take a long time and this is easier.

It would be a good idea to re-read the TOS.
Take a long time ? No more than playing around with something to later find that it could break the TOS, yes ?
Or do you prefer others to do the work for you.
By reading the TOS, you may read other things that you could possibly be breaking.

Sorry. I did that wrong. I wanted it to say the menu used to go over the ads. Now the menu goes underneath the ads and we want it to display overtop them again.

Personally, I think it is a bad idea to have the advert floating over or underneath simply because it can create a dummy click on an advert.

You said "over" and "underneath" the menu, rather than above or below the menu. So I can only assume you will have two clickable areas in the same place.

Dodgy. Very dodgy.

markis00




msg:3874970
 8:10 am on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

the floating menu goes over the ads they are not clickable while the menu is over them. which is now fixed and working fine. when developing a dropdown menu the idea is not to allow two targetable click areas within the same area. I hope you understand.

please do not attack my methods before reading my follow up posts. I clearly stated that is not the intent of our dropdown menu system.

Lame_Wolf




msg:3875028
 11:28 am on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am not attacking your methods, but without seeing EXACTLY what you are doing, we can only guess.

swa66




msg:3875634
 1:41 am on Mar 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

AFAIK the ToS is clear (US version, not the one I agreed to, but I need one in English):
[google.com...]

5. Prohibited Uses [...] (ii) edit, modify, filter, truncate or change the order of the information contained in any Ad, Link, Ad Unit, Search Result, or Referral Button, or remove, obscure or minimize any Ad, Link, Ad Unit, Search Result, or Referral Button in any way without authorization from Google;

My emphasis.

Add to it that even putting menus etc. too close to it is considered a no-no, I'd be very careful about putting a menu _over_ adsense.

Unless of course ASA would actually tell we all got the exception ...

Bddmed




msg:3875913
 2:26 pm on Mar 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

As you may know, our tips and guidelines mention that "users should only click on Google ads if they're interested in the services being advertised". While there are many precautions a publisher can take to avoid encouraging clicks on their ads, we've found that some implementations of the ad code can lead to accidental clicks that the publisher may not have been able to predict. Some implementations that could lead to accidental clicks include placing your ads:

- In close proximity to Macromedia Flash games
- Under pop-ups or download prompts
- Near site navigation controls on your pages, such as drop-downs or menu links

Generally, we ask that you not place your ads near features of your site that your users may interact with by clicking.

[adsense.blogspot.com...]

silverbytes




msg:3894983
 11:26 pm on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello Adsense advisor, yes there are lot of people with same problem, could you please tell us if fixing z index is acceptable (TOS)? Many people have horizontal dropdown menus, then whitespace or content, then horizontal adsense ads. The result is mousing over the menu causes this get covered by ad. And probably modifying z index, to go over the ad. But everybody here seems to agree in the fact, that solution found by markis00 is against TOS. Is it?

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