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Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites?
jimmychuang




msg:3834952
 6:58 pm on Jan 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites?

Will Google ban me for this?

 

Lame_Wolf




msg:3835518
 11:24 am on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

To me, an "Adsense Site" is a site made for adsense (MFA)

So, if it is an MFA site, I wouldn't worry about driving traffic to it because no doubt in time it will be banned.

jimmychuang




msg:3835551
 12:27 pm on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

I see. You mean any MFA sites will be banned no matter what traffic source they use.

It's going to be much more strict than I used to heard about, I mean so many people live from MFA sites, if they will get banned how could they keep making money from it?

I know there's a lot of rumers about adsense, what can u do, what can't u do, etc. But I believe it's first time someone tell me MFA sites surely will be banned.

If a MFA site will be banned anyway, so most of the adsense related products will be lies and immoral because they teach people or give their customer wrong tools such as adsense site creation tool and make them die in adsense market.

I need to make sure about this:

What is a MFA website, if a site filled with articls and adsense ads, a little graphics will be considered as MFA sites?

As I know, there are at least three famous marketing services provide and encourage members to create websites like that.

jcmiras




msg:3835602
 1:26 pm on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Just make an all-original-content website and you'll be safe.

farmboy




msg:3835702
 3:39 pm on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Just make an all-original-content website and you'll be safe.

I think you need to introduce quantity of all-original-content and maybe even quality also. Some people will take the above literally and write one original paragraph on a page and fill it with ads.

...if a site filled with articls and adsense ads, a little graphics will be considered as MFA sites?

I'll let others define the term as they see fit. In general, I think people who operate on the principle of "what's the least I can get by with" are among the most likely to experience frustrations and, one morning, wake up to a very disappointing email from Google.

FarmBoy

jimmychuang




msg:3835743
 4:23 pm on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have read an adsense case study on google adsnese center, in that case a man use adwords to drive traffic to his site and he also put adsense on his website and make profit from it. So I am wondering if it is legal to do, and how about the YSM and MSN adcenter.

As for what kind of websites which won't be banned by google, I think I need to see a real life example.

signor_john




msg:3835780
 5:09 pm on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

As for what kind of websites which won't be banned by google, I think I need to see a real life example.

Be patient. It may take them a while to work their way down the list. :-)

Lame_Wolf




msg:3836097
 11:39 pm on Jan 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

I see. You mean any MFA sites will be banned no matter what traffic source they use.

Yep.
If it gets reported and the adsense team agree, then say goodbye to it.

It's going to be much more strict than I used to heard about,

Not at all. Google have always taken that stance.

I mean so many people live from MFA sites

Do they ? Or is it a case that they haven't been reported yet ?
Or is it a case of BS from them ?

if they will get banned how could they keep making money from it?

If they get banned, they won't be making any money from it.
And if they are banned because of MFA sites... Tough.

I know there's a lot of rumers about adsense, what can u do, what can't u do, etc.

There is no such thing as rumors of what you can or cannot do.
There is a factual thing and it's called Adsense TOS. That is the ONLY thing you should read about that you can and cannot do.

But I believe it's first time someone tell me MFA sites surely will be banned.

I didn't say that. I said no doubt.
If you want to put it to the test, let me know what your site is, and if I think it is MFA, I report it and then lets see if google agrees, yes ?

If a MFA site will be banned anyway, so most of the adsense related products will be lies and immoral because they teach people or give their customer wrong tools such as adsense site creation tool and make them die in adsense market.

I cannot comment without knowing what tools etc that you are talking about.
But from what I have seen from your past posts, I don't think you have grasped the aspect of adsense. For all I know, they are probably not doing what you state, rather your interpretation of the rules.

These sites do not provide the content, you do.

I need to make sure about this:

What is a MFA website,

Adsense is a small part of a company called google. Google have a free tool called a search engine.

I suggest you find your local google, and in the search box type... MFA ...and press the return key on your keyboard.

if a site filled with articls and adsense ads, a little graphics will be considered as MFA sites?

It could be. Is the content yours, or was it scraped from other sites. IIRC, I saw in one of your other posts that people will be uploading images to one of your sites. If that is the case, will it be their own work or will it be images that are hotlinked from other sites - which is normally the case.

If so, and you have adsense on there, you could lose your account.

As I know, there are at least three famous marketing services provide and encourage members to create websites like that.

Do they ? Or is it your interpretation of what they do ?
Remember, they do not provide the content.

ArtistMike




msg:3836129
 12:38 am on Jan 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites?
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Do it and tell us how it turns out for you.

jimmychuang




msg:3836474
 1:36 pm on Jan 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Do it and tell us how it turns out for you.
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You know I just ask id somebody do it and not get banned. I've read an article at keywordcountry claims use adwords to drive traffic to adsense sites is ok, so I am wondering if I can use YSM aswell.

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It could be. Is the content yours, or was it scraped from other sites. IIRC, I saw in one of your other posts that people will be uploading images to one of your sites. If that is the case, will it be their own work or will it be images that are hotlinked from other sites - which is normally the case.
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Hi, Lame_Wolf

I have no sites allow other people upload images, but I do have sites allow other people post articles.

I know what MFA mean, but how to tell which site is made for adsense?

I know several famous marketers teach people create a 5 to 10 pages mini-site and put ads on it, they also claim the adsense income is about number game, which mean if you build more sites like that, you can make more money.

Some of them also show the real life examples on their blogs.

As I know, some software and service provide article miner function and web pages creation function to let people easily create mini-sites like that, they mostly will offer templates and PLR articles and charge you monthly fee.

Also one of the famous service give away a report show you how to use YSM to adsense sites method to make money.

So I am not sure is your opinion right or they are wrong.

If you are really experienced marketer and make a living from adsense, and you have confidence to give me advice, then that's fine. If not, please don't confuse me.

I ask "Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites? ", I am not trying a create a site steals others works or anything illegal, I am sure I create websites using the methods those famous marketers teach, maybe my websites have low quality but I create them using those tools used by thousands of people, if it's wrong way, then many people will lose account because of using those services and tools.

I am not saying those methods won't get me banned, I am really careful now, that's why I ask before I do. And I do need some opinion from experienced marketers, at least reply for the topic directly.

signor_john




msg:3836526
 3:08 pm on Jan 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Jimmy, if you're genuinely trying to be "really careful now," wouldn't it make sense to ask AdSense Support? That's the least risky approach when asking questions that involve the Google TOS and the potential loss of your account. And if you don't want to submit your question to AdSense Support, doesn't that suggest that you think you already know the answer?

Lame_Wolf




msg:3837889
 1:11 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

I know what MFA mean, but how to tell which site is made for adsense?

Basically, MFA sites are sites which litter their whole website with lots of Adsense ads and other ads, with very little content or sometimes none at all. If you can't tell from that, then there's no hope.

I know several famous marketers teach people create a 5 to 10 pages mini-site and put ads on it, they also claim the adsense income is about number game, which mean if you build more sites like that, you can make more money.

LOL
Sounds just like those people who show you how to make millions. Funny that... if you knew a way on how to make millions, why sell your idea for a few bucks and weaken your long term profits? Hang on, I know ... cos people are gullible.

So, by making more sites will guarantee more income. Not always true. You need those sites to gain good rankings or publicity to gain visitors. Without them, you won't be getting any clicks. So, concentrate on ONE site. Get the visitors, then make a related site to that. Then you can feed related customers from one site to the other. Then, the second site will gain visitors.. and so on and so on.

To buy a group of sites and expect adsense to flow in, ain't gonna happen.

As I know, some software and service provide article miner function and web pages creation function to let people easily create mini-sites like that, they mostly will offer templates and PLR articles and charge you monthly fee.

Like the world needs another copied site.
Look, if you want to make money from adsense, then you are going to have to work at it. Make your own site. Write your own articles. Find your niche. Find out what you are expert in and write about it.

Also one of the famous service give away a report show you how to use YSM to adsense sites method to make money.

Yes, but remember *they* are not risking an adsense account, are they ?

If you are really experienced marketer and make a living from adsense, and you have confidence to give me advice, then that's fine. If not, please don't confuse me.

What do you call experienced ? I make 4 figures from one site alone. Many make far more, and many make less. It's all relative.
Do I make a living ? Not really. Then again, I couldn't survive without it because it helps keeping my head above water.

I ask "Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites?",

Do what you want to do. It sounds like you want someone to agree to making a MFA site, so when you get banned, you will write to google and say "XYZ in WebmasterWorld told me it was okay" Sorry, but that ain't gonna happen either. People here want to make money the honest way. That means putting in the hours, obeying adsense TOS, and plenty of patience.

I am not trying a create a site steals others works or anything illegal, I am sure I create websites using the methods those famous marketers teach, maybe my websites have low quality but I create them using those tools used by thousands of people, if it's wrong way, then many people will lose account because of using those services and tools.

There is a big difference in a site with adsense on it, than a site that is made for adsense.

I am not saying those methods won't get me banned, I am really careful now, that's why I ask before I do.

A MFA site will get you banned. If someone reports it, and google agrees, then say goodbye to your account.

And I do need some opinion from experienced marketers, at least reply for the topic directly.

No, you need to write to google with the following...

Hello Google Adsense Team,
I am making a MFA site, and want to know if I will be banned ?
My account number is ......
My site is .......
Kind Regards
.......

Let us know how you get on. ;)

koan




msg:3837913
 1:52 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

- Will I get away with it if I do X? This web site says everybody is doing it.

- Probably not.

- But I want you to tell me yes.

- Okay yes then, but write us when you get banned.

- That's not a real yes answer.

- Nope.

StoutFiles




msg:3838001
 4:45 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt; he never actually said he had a MFA site. Some people don't like mixing Adwords with Adsense as we know that has caused problems for many people.

Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites?

Yes, you most certainly can. You can also use Adwords as long as your "landing page" does not have Adsense on it.

[edited by: StoutFiles at 4:46 am (utc) on Jan. 30, 2009]

Green_Grass




msg:3838010
 5:29 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Some much misinformation.

Yes.. You can use advertising to buy traffic for websites with adSense on them. You can check the google adsense policies and find the information required.

It is quite obvious that not everyone can be on the first or second page of SERPS and some paid traffic may be essential to get visibility.

Lately Google has been banning accounts solely using the adwords/adSense arbitrage model. However, they do allow paid traffic on adSense sites as long as the SPIRIT of the adWords Landing page guidelines are met.

I interpret it to mean.

Original content.
Content to which other sites will link.
Content people will bookmark and revisit.
More than one page view.

I may be wrong.. But I have used this thinking to buy traffic for my sites for the last 2 years with no problem.


Green_Grass




msg:3838011
 5:43 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Here, read the Program Policies.

I am giving one link. You can find more info. by searching further.

https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=48182

Under Site and Ad Behavior
"Publishers using online advertising to drive traffic to pages showing Google ads must comply with the spirit of Google's Landing Page Quality Guidelines. For instance, if you advertise for sites participating in the AdSense program, the advertising should not be deceptive to users"

shez




msg:3838018
 5:53 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites? : YES :

Will Google ban me for this? : NO :

I'm sure you have a site that complies with the policies of Google, MSN and YSM :)
Best Luck

Lame_Wolf




msg:3838061
 9:53 am on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

No Google ad may be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads, whether or not the page content is relevant.

jimmychuang




msg:3838480
 7:05 pm on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the information about google adsense policies.

Hi, Green_Grass, do you mostly buy traffic from big companies such as Yahoo?

Because I know it's not ok to buy traffic from some 2-tier ppc programs. Those programs offer much cheaper traffic, but from some craping websites.

I don't have typical MFA sites, but I recently bought a FAMOUS software, and I used it and it's templates creating some low quality websites, I think: why still so many people use this software?

The answer comes to my mind: maybe those users don't have enough traffic to get noticed by Google.

When I create a website I will always add some quality content on it, I normally make my website a blog, I also welcome other marketers post articles on my sites. It's more like niche article directory.

Hi, Lame_Wolf

I don't think it's enough to write my own articles(or outsource) and create a website for making money from adsense. A website has some quality articles is not necessary to be top 10 on google, even top 50.

And if you want other sites "WANT" to link to your site, a website with articles is indeed not a good idea.

I mean, articles are not enough, if you just have articles you write on your websites, then you better very skilled on SEO, or you better consider buy some traffic, otherwise, your website will be invisible in the ppublic.

When we visit a website with no specific service, we always consider it's is just another website contains information.

All my websites are like that kind of websites, filled with articles, but you know I am not a professional of those topics, there's no reason that people should believe the information on my site, so there's only one way to get people visit it, advertising.

I know some claims they can make a mini-site to top 10 on google, but I don't have that ability, so I need to buy traffic from trusted sources.

I also believe Google is more strict for those marketers actually make money from adsense, so I plan to start small with YSM advertising. Before that I need to carefully make change of my websites.

jimmychuang




msg:3838534
 7:52 pm on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Forget to ask, if I use YSM to drive traffic, the CTR of adsense must be much higher than se traffic because it's more targeted. Will Google consider you use tricks to make visitors click?

signor_john




msg:3838619
 9:50 pm on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

They might or might not. There's no way to know, except by trying.

Scurramunga




msg:3838649
 10:30 pm on Jan 30, 2009 (gmt 0)


Can I use YSM or MSN Adcenter to drive traffic to adsense sites?

I would say it all depends on the quality of the content you have on that particular site. If your site consists of nothing much more than ads, i would say you are in violation of the TOS and are a likely candidate for banning (how long Google ever gets around to banning you is a completely different matter)

Don't forget also that even if your site is deemed to contain quality content, the traffic you drive to it using MSN may not be deemed by Adsense to be quality traffic or likely to convert.

Lame_Wolf




msg:3838721
 1:46 am on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I don't have typical MFA sites

So you do have MFA sites, just not typical ones.
MFA is MFA no matter how you want to dress it up.

Lame_Wolf




msg:3838727
 2:23 am on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I don't think it's enough to write my own articles(or outsource) and create a website for making money from adsense.

Oh, so you would rather spend money buying articles that may or may not be any good, and spend money on driving traffic to your "not typical MFA site"

Like I said, if your site is MFA, then you are wasting your time/money trying to drive traffic to it.

A website has some quality articles is not necessary to be top 10 on google, even top 50.

It would/can be if done correctly. Many factors involved.

And if you want other sites "WANT" to link to your site, a website with articles is indeed not a good idea.

ROFL
1: It was you that brought up the subject of articles, not me.
2: I have a few articles on my site. They pull in visitors. They gain IBL's, not just to the articles, but to the site as a whole.

I mean, articles are not enough,

I know. It was you that brought up the subject of articles.

then you better very skilled on SEO,

I am.

or you better consider buy some traffic,

Never have, Never will. Also, I don't sell links, buy links, use ppc, or cheat the search engines.

otherwise, your website will be invisible in the ppublic.

Rubbish. There are 100's of reasons why you can be invisible to search engines.

there's no reason that people should believe the information on my site

#*$! ?

I know some claims they can make a mini-site to top 10 on google, but I don't have that ability,

Yes you do.
You just want the money now and not have to work for it.
I am self taught in HTML. I am self taught in SEO and web design. No one is born with an adsense-spoon in their mouth, you work at it.

Like I originally said, if your site is MFA and google agrees, then you will be wasting your time and money driving paid traffic to the site.

Also, I cannot see the maths adding up.
Apart from any hosting fees, your time, your energy, your money on PLR articles etc. You are then going to spend out more money to YSM or MSN in the HOPE that someone clicks on an advert, because "there's no reason that people should believe the information on your site"

You are going to have to earn more money on the clicks than on PPC to drive it there.

Good luck.

jimmychuang




msg:3838799
 5:08 am on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi, Lame_Wolf
I don't know how you define MFA, and why we keeps discussing this. Maybe you can give me an example what a MFA looks like because I feel you really don't like those sites created for adsense instead of offer specific service.

If I have a website introduce some loan programs, hire a good writer to write 10 quality product review articles, then I put 3 adsense ads on every page, is it also a MFA?

Or writing 10 articles about make money online, then put adsense on it, plus some affiliate links on it, no specific services, is it also called MFA?

I bet you can find that kind of websites with 10 to 20 html pages only, but ranked within top 20, and has lived for more than one or two years. My sites are just like those websites, except the seo and web traffic.

If my sites are MFA, then most websites are MFA. U search for any keywords on google, there is always one website in top 10 has low quality and similar with the websites I create. They just did better job on seo.

You don't use PPC program that's fine, I just want to know whoelse does and maybe they could give me some advice, just a little is helpful.

Bascally I have tested my sites using YSM, and the CTR is so high so I am afraid that google will hate that, so I just stopped it now.

Using PPC programs is my short term plan, I need some extra money now, that's why I consider this method.

If I am lucky, maybe I will get information about how to make a website that won't get banned and still can earn money from YSM, who know?

You have kept pointing out that MFA will be banned no matter what it's traffic source is, but I really don't know what you mean about MFA, I believe there are a lot of people create websites for adsense, and some of those sites still get higher ranking on google for a long time, it's true, if you search it you find it.

I can create websites have the same quality with those, if that's qualify for google, then my site should qualify for google, too.

The reason I start this subject is, I want to know if Google allow marketers using PPC or other advertising, and second, I also want to know what Google dislike when you use PPC programs.

The price of YSM is not very cheap, marketers must have higher CTR in order to make more money, that's why I would plan to put adsense above the page or in the articles.

But the CTR I got just way too high if compare to SE traffic, so I want to know if any experienced marketers know what I need to look out.

And I am not a lazy guy doing nothing but wants instant money, I need money it's true, but I have really work hard to try to make my websites get higher ranking.

As I said,

jimmychuang




msg:3838806
 5:16 am on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

My point is, my websites are qualify for google TOS if I only use search engine or linking strategy to drive traffic. But now I plan to use PPC program, there should be things to consider.

So stop telling me my site will get banned no matter I use PPC or not, my websites with adsense on it have live long enough for google to take "special care" on them if they are qualify for "getting banned".

That's why I want to know what I need to know before using YSM to drive traffic because I suppose that google will be more strict to sites using PPC programs. The reason is, if you use PPC programs to drive traffic, the CTR will be sky high, much much higher than using se traffic. People who click ads are different from people only want some information.

jimmychuang




msg:3838808
 5:25 am on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

By the way, the websites I want to create are like the thread you can find on this forum, the topic is: Does your "worst site" makes more money than the others?

All I have mentioned about making money from adsense are there, that's the websites I always make, except the good SEO.

signor_john




msg:3839085
 3:41 pm on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

That's why I want to know what I need to know before using YSM to drive traffic because I suppose that google will be more strict to sites using PPC programs.

Jimmy, you've had plenty of advice in this thread, all of which you've responded to with arguments. Again, why not ask AdSense Support whether it's okay to use YSM or MSN ads to drive traffic to your site? You may or may not like their answer, but at least it should be definitive.

jimmychuang




msg:3839211
 6:20 pm on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have asked Google but they have not replied. Actually months ago I have tried to ask google about this subject, they never replied. It's not a surprise to me, they just want to keep full right and not giving you answer before they see the results.

If you ever deal with google's customer support, you will know they don't like to answer questions, it's true.

I have dealed with google last year because when the time I made about avg. 2000 USD. from adsense. I was using PPC program to drive traffic, and one day google phone me ask me why the CTR of my account is so high? Do I use software to clicks the ads? Because they have knew some Chinese guys do that way. Then I soon stopped using PPC program.

You can tell even google have no idea why sometimes CTR will be so high because they never use PPC programs to test the CTR of adsense ads by theselves.

The fact is, when you use PPC programs like YSM which bring you very targeted visitors, it's not a surprise your CTR will increase to so high and you can never imagine.

That's the thing I am afraid of, although it's not my fault to increase the CTR, and it's not my fault to make the adwords users bid on such high price per click, but if this situation happen, google will doubt it.

But I know there are some guys still doing YSM to adsense, so I am here want to get the secret to not be considered as spam by google if using YSM to drive traffic, if I am lucky I will get the answer. If not, then I should again test it by myself, and try my best to make my site as good as I can.

If anyone try to take risk of it(even google allow marketers use advertising to drive traffic to adsense pages, you still have risks), you just can't hope google will give you answer because rule is rule, and it's not very clear rule, it only wants you follow the "spirit" of something, google always have full right to close your account without any reasons. If google judge your web pages if they qualify to use PPC traffic before you take action, then they will have no reasons to close your account if the CTR is too high, or adwords users complain losing money, etc. That's why they won't reply questions like that.

I am not argue anything, actually there are some nice guys have give me the answer here, somehow somebody just spread out that I create MFA and I will get banned in the very beginning without ever visiting my websites.

signor_john




msg:3839261
 7:31 pm on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

But I know there are some guys still doing YSM to adsense, so I am here want to get the secret to not be considered as spam by google if using YSM to drive traffic, if I am lucky I will get the answer

You won't get a definitive answer from other AdSense publishers, because (a) the fact that someone's getting away with something today doesn't mean he'll get away with it tomorrow, and (b) in aany given case of suspected click arbitrage, the intrinsic usefulness of the landing page or site to the reader is likely to be taken into account, and you have no way of knowing how Google would judge your site in relation to whatever benchmark Google and its employees are using.

Bottom line: If you can't get an answer from Google, you'll need to rely on your own judgment and decide what level of risk you're willing to accept.

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