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mifi601




msg:3814040
 6:17 pm on Dec 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I will try to avoid another 'poor me' thread. Forgive me if it sounds that way!

First I will lay out the conversation I had with AdSense after my site was dropped, which should explain why and what happened. After that I will write down my questions to the forum!

This last email from me to them pretty much sums it up, without having to quote their canned 'sorry but no longer eligible' response, which I must not quote verbatim (I also edited re specifics):

The site was run by my mother and I had placed the ads there, when I made it 5 years ago. She and her husband ran the site and also had access to the code.
Several years back she stopped selling online and handed the site over to me.

I never even looked at the adsense code. It was performing nicely and it looked good on the pages. I do not know why the ad height was changed nor do I know by whom, but I am very aware of your policies and would never risk loosing 1/3 of my income with such a silly infraction!

When you (adsense) first wrote to me I remedied the code immediately and you did not discontinue to serve ads on that site and I thought everything was fine. Then 2 days later (the code being OK now) you stopped serving ads.

I have several companies, whose ads were showing on my site, that have joined adwords, because they wanted to advertise on my site, since it is a very small niche market site and I get very good traffic, due to my mother's work and contacts. I told them, 'go to google and your ads will show on the
site and that is the fairest way for you to spend your advertising money and you will also be able to track your ROI'.

The CTR shows, that my visitors liked what they saw in terms of ads (and the CTR did not go down, once I changed the ad height). My (and your) advertisers aren't really well served if you stop showing ads on the site altogether. Of course my motives aren't purely altruistic and I am looking to get the revenue back.

Please, review my sites, their quality and anything else that could show that it is worthy of running adsense!

Sincerely yours

My questions:

What happens if I contact the advertisers, that originally contacted me and that I turned to adwords? Does that constitute an infringement even though that site 'is no longer eligible'. They wanted to buy ads from me directly in the first place.

What happens if I sell the site?

Shouldn't there be some sort of grace period? AdSense and I have a business relation for over 5 years and they paid me tens of thousands of Dollars. And all I get is canned responses, nobody to talk to ...?

Which, I guess, does in the end come down to 'poor me'.

 

farmboy




msg:3814186
 4:42 am on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

What happens if I contact the advertisers, that originally contacted me and that I turned to adwords? Does that constitute an infringement even though that site 'is no longer eligible'. They wanted to buy ads from me directly in the first place.

Well, the Terms indicate you shouldn't contact the advertisers directly. But since you apparently no longer have a relationship with AdSense, those terms are irrelevant to you.

What happens if I sell the site?

Not sure what you're asking.

Shouldn't there be some sort of grace period? AdSense and I have a business relation for over 5 years and they paid me tens of thousands of Dollars. And all I get is canned responses, nobody to talk to ...?

Yes, they should. And you should be able to correspond with someone if you're kicked out.

Which, I guess, does in the end come down to 'poor me'.

Sorry this happened to you.

Sounds like someone messed around with the AdSense code on the site. Is it possible your mom or her husband did that, intentional or by accident, and were sent warnings that were ignored or overlooked?

FarmBoy

mifi601




msg:3814292
 1:36 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Farmboy, I was not kicked out. It is just that one domain, that is no longer eigible for adsense. That's why it would be interesting re the advertisers.

I never got a warning.

mifi601




msg:3814294
 1:39 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Oh I forgot - selling the site:

They say, 'the site is no longer eligible'. If that were really the case then I, or anybody could sell a 'no longer eligible' site for a lot of money and you get stuck with a - in adsense realted terms - worthless site!

I think there are huge implications here!

StoutFiles




msg:3814314
 3:01 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I do not know why the ad height was changed nor do I know by whom

Google does not like when people claim ignorance and/or do not have control of their site's code. Whether you did it or someone else, Google will not take risks when it comes to Adsense. To them, it easier to remove an offender than to deal with readding an offender since so many of them repeat the same mistakes. Good luck though...they have been known to change their mind from time to time.

mifi601




msg:3814322
 3:41 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I totally understand that POV. I would not like it either, but who in the world would have thought that my parents would 'play' around with the adsense code?! And since the ads looked OK I never even dreamed of checking it. It would have been a different story if the ads performed poorly, than I would have changed it around.

And now I am in total control. I did change it at the first notice from them. It should really be super simple to check for google where the code has been altered. That particular ad was running for over 4 years without any notice.

explorador




msg:3814378
 7:31 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Mifi601, really weird what happened to you. I guess experiences like that justify our "paranoia" reviewing and checking our site every day or at least every week. I've read about cases where the ID was changed and the site began making money for somebody else...

If the site is worth the effort, try other context advertising options, if you get tired of it, sell it. The thing is (IMHO) if somebody else worked on the site, we will ignore every tiny corner of it and very likely will not dedicate ourselves to the site as if it was entirely by us.

[edited by: martinibuster at 7:50 pm (utc) on Dec. 25, 2008]
[edit reason] See TOS re site reviews. [webmasterworld.com...] [/edit]

mifi601




msg:3814390
 8:49 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well that is exactly one of my questions:

What happens if I sell it?

According to adsense support, 'the site is no longer eligible', which would mean nobody, ever, can put adsense on it. Now if I were to pitch the site with past income that would be super unethical. And I am just wondering whether another publisher could get this 'judgement' revoked. Which then of course opens another can of worms, namely publishers only selling in name, like so many companies belonging to bankrupt husbands ...

I am just trying to find out what the 'right thing' to do is here. It does not make sense - does it?

martinibuster




msg:3814396
 10:00 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Selling a site", with and without quotations marks, is probably common with sites banned by AdSense. It's certainly been a common complaint in the past about having been banned after purchasing a banned site from their brother, friend, wife, etc. In each case it has appeared to be a pitifully obvious ruse to get around being banned by AdSense by registering the AdSense account in someone else's name then slapping new AS code in the old banned site.

Accept that the site is banned and find other ways of monetizing it. If you sell it be sure to put it in the contract that the site has been banned by AdSense.

Good luck.

mifi601




msg:3814397
 10:34 pm on Dec 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

be sure to put it in the contract that the site has been banned by AdSense.

that's actually a very good tip!

do you have any comments on the 'making sense' part? in terms of no warning and 4 years of the same code on there?

martinibuster




msg:3814431
 1:50 am on Dec 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>>in terms of no warning and 4 years of the same code on there?

In the past these threads don't make sense because there are parts of the story left out, as is the case when you only hear one side of the story. We generally don't allow these threads.

Good luck.

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