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New AdSense Advisor
AdSenseAdvisor




msg:3784944
 5:29 pm on Nov 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi All,

Our previous ASA is transitioning to a new role within Google, so I'm thrilled to announce that I'll be your new ASA.

I really look forward to working with you.

Fire away!

ASA

 

coachm




msg:3788444
 2:24 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Once again, we are treated to webmasters behaving badly, a poor understanding of adwords, adsense and admanager, and the usual welcome offered to anyone who is google-neutral or google employed, which involves burning at the stake.

...sigh.

I'd like various features too, and I'd like my fraudulently charged seven thousand dollars back that adwords owes me, but I see no need to be so darned suspicious and nasty.

...used to be great answers around year, at the start of the program.

ArtistMike




msg:3788447
 2:31 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

I want the ability to filter, block, limit ads on any criteria I choose. If the ad is of a topic I don't like, if the ad does not pay enough, if the ad offensive, I want the ability to block, filter, limit that ad. Crap ads come in all types, topic, price, offensive words, and the reason a publisher wants to block, filter, limit, that ad is irrelevant.

If a publishers only wants $1 ads on his site, that should be his choice. If the publisher does not care about price but only wants ads about "Gardening" on his entire site, that should be his choice. if the publisher does NOT want ads about Gardening on his site, no matter what the price offered, then that should be his choice.

If a publisher wants ads about Stock Certificates on one page and only wants ads that pay $2 per. click, that should be his choice and there should be a way for him to get those types of ads on his page. To the exclusion of other types of ads sneaking onto that page.

Now some publishers may not want that type of control, but there are others that will want that type of control. There should be that type of control available to the publisher if he wants it.

ArtistMike




msg:3788455
 2:37 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

you can "sigh" all you wish, so can I. Sigh.

Google has been treating publishers poorly for years, it is worth a sigh.

ArtistMike




msg:3788461
 2:52 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

ArtistMike, anyone with an approved AdSense account can sign up for Ad Manager.
=============================

Are you talking about the AdWORDS AdManager? I am talking about the AdSENSE AdManager that is only available to the publishers that opt INTO the CPM system of ads on their sites. I have opted OUT of the CPM type of ads. I don't have access to any type of AdSense AdManager.

signor_john




msg:3788462
 2:53 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

There should be that type of control available to the publisher if he wants it.

It's reasonable to say "I'd like to see yadda yadda."

It's presumptuous and unreasonable to say, "There should be yadda yadda" when the network belongs to someone else.

No wonder AdSenseAdvisors move on to other jobs. :-)

ArtistMike




msg:3788468
 3:01 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Once again, we are treated to webmasters behaving badly, a poor understanding of adwords, adsense and admanager, and the usual welcome offered to anyone who is google-neutral or google employed, which involves burning at the stake.
============================

No one has been "burned" or "staked". There are years of frustration because of how Google chooses to operate. There are years of frustration because Google treats publishers as a necessary evil so that they can make money with their AdWords side of the system.

Being treated as a second class type of "partner" in this system causes frustration.

Being told to do things that will make you more money when in fact it makes you less money, is frustrating.

ArtistMike




msg:3788471
 3:05 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Liking to be walked on got you how much in the past? Standing up and saying what your needs are, when asked, gets you at the very least your needs known.

elsewhen




msg:3788483
 3:39 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

google admanager:

https://www.google.com/admanager/

StoutFiles




msg:3788484
 3:39 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Complaining about Big Brother will only get you vaporized.

Erku




msg:3788485
 3:41 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

ASA thank you for addressing my question. One thing I gather here is that publishers do need more tools and options.

koan




msg:3788486
 3:45 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Standing up and saying what your needs are

And there are ways of asking for something that will make you be taken seriously, or not.

I know some people may harbor some frustrations (some that I may even share) but I'm afraid ASA might think he just landed in kooky land and will prefer to clam down, like prior advisors.

Let's take our time to present our cases in the most objective and articulate manner, this whole aggressive approach is really counter productive, if not downright juvenile.

ArtistMike




msg:3788490
 3:58 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

https://www.google.com/admanager/

That is for the ADWORDS AdManager not the AdSense AdManager.

ArtistMike




msg:3788493
 4:01 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Nothing gets done, it is frustrating. Being "nice" gets nothing done. Being objective gets nothing done. I would rather be subjective and tell him/her how I feel and what I think.

farmboy




msg:3788495
 4:06 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

ASA - As you're probably aware, a lot of publishers use the Competitive Ad Filter for more than just filtering out ads from competitors. Filtering out ads the publisher deems to be a poor quality experience for the site visitor is one other reason. (Other or specific examples can be provided if necessary)

Those who have large sites or multiple sites soon find their competitive filter full. A request to have the size of the filter increased is probably one of the top 3 most common requests by publishers here at WebmasterWorld, yet it seems to go unanswered.

Can you comment on this? If you need examples of ads people tend to filter out, I'm sure plenty of people here will be glad to describe them either in general or specific.

FarmBoy

farmboy




msg:3788500
 4:15 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

ASA - There was a thread here recently where some people reported finding their number of available channels increased from 200 to 500. Has there been an official announcement that 500 channels are now available to all publishers?

FarmBoy

zett




msg:3788513
 4:30 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

If this was a fresh forum for a new product, then I'd be inclined to say - "Sure, ASA, no problem, let's discuss our wish list".

But this forum is almost as old as the Adsense program itself. In fact, the very first post here was created more than five years ago on June 29th, 2003. Since then webmasters big and small have tried to improve the program with feature requests and discussions. These discussions were sometimes quite emotional but still of better quality than other discussions elsewhere.

Over the past year or so there were sometimes terrific feature request threads. If Google only made the effort to READ these threads, we would not hear questions like

can I ask why you'd want to set a minimum CPC/CPM for a channel or an ad block?

which goes to show that we (as webmasters) have probably a better understanding of the (perceived) shortcomings of the system than Google has. To which I can only second Hobbs' reply

Shocked...I'm shocked! Do you really need to ask this question?

Yep. I was shocked too when I read that question.

we are treated to webmasters behaving badly, a poor understanding of adwords, adsense and admanager, and the usual welcome offered to anyone who is google-neutral or google employed, which involves burning at the stake. ...sigh.

Noone is torn onto the stake. We're just trying to cut through "corporate blah" and PR fog and the noise of the "Google fanboys" to get our individual improvement suggestions through to Google. Do we really need more Google defending here, or elsewhere? What's the purpose of defending Google?

I think Google can do better than that.

That's why a link to Google Adsense blog, for example, does not help us at all. (We knew that already, thanks.) That's why a question like "Why would you want to set a minimum CPC for each page?" is not good. (It can be answered by reading any of the previous discussions on this topic, thanks.)

The previous replies from the new ASA, however, are promising. This type of reply is useful. It shows some respect for webmasters who put their concerns on the table. ASA, if you keep that stamina up, then you may have a good time here.

coachm




msg:3788515
 4:34 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

That is for the ADWORDS AdManager not the AdSense AdManager.

This is the part that gets me. I understand you may be disappointed that you aren't getting all that you feel you are entitled to from google, so you wish to vent, but has it ever occurred to you that you don't know everything?

Ad manager is neither connected necessarily to adwords OR adsense, but is a free adserving technology. If you are going to rant and rave, or be rude in your welcoming flames, at least take the time to understand what you are talking about. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Personally, if I feel mistreated by someone I'm in business with, I don't stay in business with them, so I have no real need to rant, rave and attack, particularly publicly.

Adsense. It is what it is. Being rude and attacking doesn't change it, although presenting rational polite positions just might. Maybe try it.

So, double sigh. Ignorant and loud isn't a good combination anywhere for anyone, not that anyone here would be either or both. But it's good to stay away from both.

"Hey, I hear google as a dad manager, but you can't get into it if you refuse cpm. Not fair. I need to manage my dad as much as anyone. Darn you google for discriminating."


AdSenseAdvisor




msg:3788532
 5:15 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

There's not a lot I can do about the past. While I understand you're frustrated, I can't read five years' worth of posts. I hope you'll bear with me as I get familiar with what's been going on here. Please feel free to point out when an issue surfaces that's come up a lot before.

I try to assume all of you have the best intentions when you post here. I know I'm going to make mistakes, but I would appreciate the same courtesy.

ASA

elsewhen




msg:3788543
 5:37 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

That is for the ADWORDS AdManager not the AdSense AdManager

admanager is a tool for _publishers_. you can serve your adsense ads through it and control your ecpm.

icedowl




msg:3788559
 6:06 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

ASA, I've been here for several years. Over those years the one issue that is repeated over and over has to do with the competitive ad filter. At times my own has gotten quite full, other times I've nearly emptied it. I've never had to put a competitor or what I consider to be a competitor into it yet as I've never objected to any of their ads.

I realize that I don't see every ad that may land on my sites. What I do know is that there are ads out there that I do not want on my sites. My reason is that I personally find those particular ads to be objectionable and sometimes downright insulting. I don't care how much they pay, and I'm not one that wants ads that pay x amount in order to be shown. I'm willing to take the full range of pay amounts.

What I'm not happy to see is:
1. Ads that take over every page no matter how great they are. I've tossed some of these into the filter just because they were being shown way too frequently.
2. Ads that are all about one thing even though they have no relation to the page that they're on (weight loss ads for example). I've seen these just about everywhere and most of those sites that they appear on aren't even mine. They're just as bad as spam.
3. Ads that entice a user to download any sort of a toolbar other than Google's. Some of these are pure spyware and God knows what else.

What I'd like to see is:
1. A filter available for each individual site that we have. I have under 10 sites that I'd like this for. This would cover the problem of having to put an ad in the current filter that would really be great on one site but not on any of the others. Right now I'd have to filter such an ad from all of my sites.
2. An additional filter for those ads I wouldn't want to see on any of my sites.
3. Unrelated to the above, but I'm coming close to running out of channels. Deleting some might work but then history is all messed up.

Sorry to be so lengthy, it's really not my usual.

zett




msg:3788563
 6:20 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

I can't read five years' worth of posts.

Nobody expects you to. That's were search engines come to the rescue. Just click here [search.live.com], and you'll get a number of good starting points. ;-)

Ah, just in case, here are two rather fresh requirements threads:

July 2008 - [webmasterworld.com...]
June 2008 - [webmasterworld.com...]

ArtistMike




msg:3788568
 6:36 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you are going to rant and rave, or be rude in your welcoming flames...
======================

None of which I have done. So there.

ArtistMike




msg:3788576
 6:44 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Adsense. It is what it is.
=================

It is not cast in stone. It can be changed, it is only programing.

You saying I am being rude is also NOT "what it is". It may be your opinion, but that does not make it "what it is".

Scurramunga




msg:3788578
 6:48 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yep. I was shocked too when I read that question.

So was I.

My first thoughts were how all our past feature requests must have fallen of deaf ears - but then I put it down to ASA's superiors being so indifferent as to not even bothering to bring the New ASA up to speed on this and similar issues.

kaustubh




msg:3788612
 8:01 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks ASA for the info!

night707




msg:3788643
 8:43 am on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google has no competition, is filthy rich and can do anything.

Sorry ASA,

perhaps this observation may require more explanation.

No competition

is pretty much a fact when looking at product quality, market shares and strategies. Search, maps, youtube, gmail, adsense, webmaster tools and many other things are all miles ahead of competition.

Filthy rich

is a well deserved reward due to the facts mentioned above.

Can do anything

Sure, there are limitations :-) But with straight access to the new and highly appreciated President and being in control of most Western web traffic Google does have some unmatched influence on many things.

Every day Google decides about which site will see how much traffic and earnings regardless to it`s quality and what users are looking for.

That is where Google does make or break websites and this forum has seen many examples for that where also the lack of individual communication with Google support has been frequently criticized.

Personally, i have given up on writing to any Google support since ages.

On a more constructive vibe it would be very easy for Google to establish a better communication and collaboration with at least the leading publishers in the field of useful quality content.

Earning cap

I have posted a reply to that in the new thread created by martinibuster. Honestly, not only our adsense stats read like that.

Thanks a lot for looking into that and again compliments and good wishes for your new role.


HuskyPup




msg:3788894
 3:46 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

HuskyPup and ArtistMike, I wasnít trying to be antagonistic. Iím just trying to understand the reason behind the request. If the reason for setting a minimum is that youíve seen a correlation between low-paying ads and low-quality ads, thatís one thing. If the reason is that itís not worth it to you to show ads at all on your site unless they pay a certain amount, thatís another.

This is my view and you have understood correctly in the second part of your question.

My ads are great, extremely well-targetted, I have no complaints about those whatsoever however I operate the largest global sites within my widget trade and this Stupid Pricing (TM) drives me absolutely NUTS!

I would rather not have 0.01-0.05 clicks, they are an insult to me and the quality information my sites provide.

I shall tell you now that the highest-average EPC earning sector of my sites, by some 33%, is a Coppermine image gallery!

How the heck is that possible? I have thousands of pages with invaluable widget information that get pathetically low value clicks yet a simple image easily gets the most. What's the point of it all when I may as well just upload another load of images rather than factual information?

IMHO, for my sites, Smart Pricing has never worked the way it is alledgedly supposed to do, sure I've had some $2+ clicks but they're non-sensical where they have come from in comparison to the quantity of low value ones.

And before anyone says it, there are plenty of good paying ads to go around in my widget pot, they just seem to be going elsewhere when I'm the one who puts in all the damned hard work!

jetteroheller




msg:3788952
 4:56 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Adsense. It is what it is.
=================
It is not cast in stone. It can be changed, it is only programing.

ASA pointed You to the exact materials to solve one of Your problems.

AdManager is a tool for publishers, who monetize not only by AdSense but also other ads.

You can define in AdManager ads from type "Home" and assign a value to this ads.

So if You do not want to show very cheap ads,
just make an "Home" ad in AdManager, assign a value to this ad
and the cheap ad is not shown, because You assigned the "Home" ad an higer earning value.

Instead is the "Home" ad shown. You are free to define the home ad simple to show just the background color of Your web site.

So this answer solved really one of Your problems.

signor_john




msg:3788970
 5:17 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google has no competition, is filthy rich and can do anything.

I'm earning substantially higher net CPMs from a vertical display-ad network than the eCPM that I'm earning from AdSense, and I've de-emphasized AdSense on my pages as a result. So Google most certainly does have competition, and that competition is having the impact that it's supposed to have--at least in my niche.

zett




msg:3789004
 6:17 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've de-emphasized AdSense on my pages as a result. So Google most certainly does have competition, and that competition is having the impact that it's supposed to have--at least in my niche.

Interesting. Would you mind telling us your niche? (I think it really depends on the niche.)

netmeg




msg:3789006
 6:20 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Interesting. Would you mind telling us your niche? (I think it really depends on the niche.)

If it depends on the niche, it's hardly an AdSense problem.

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