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AdSense Earnings Ceiling
I believe it's there...
johnnie




msg:3746617
 7:06 pm on Sep 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Although the glass ceiling is a mythical being, I believe in it. I have the following observations to support this idea:

- On days that site 1 performs well eCPM-wise, site 2 performs poorly and vice versa.

- On days with high CTR, eCPM tends to be low.

And more of these obvious anticorrelations.

Ofcourse you might also interpret this as being a glass floor, but whatever it is, I want to break free. Google seems to think you're wrth X, so you're getting X every day, whatever it takes. It could ofcourse be some statistical effect, but I've been noticing above effects for a while now. Anybody have any experience with the mythical glass ceiling? If so, did you break free, and how?

 

Green_Grass




msg:3751729
 7:20 am on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Unless they've calculated a new ceiling for me"

Yup, the ceiling does get moved up after a while.. Seen it too..

It takes a while though.. I have seen the 'levels' being raised slowly after a period of stagnation. For 6 months same traffic USD xx.xx max.. Then After sustained knocking at the ceiling.. USD YYY ... and so on.. ( time to duck from the volleys... )

oddsod




msg:3751797
 10:12 am on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have seen the 'levels' being raised slowly after a period of stagnation

If there is a ceiling being applied the time lag to revisions needs to be high. If it's on a daily basis then the ceiling doesn't exist!

signor_john




msg:3752081
 5:35 pm on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Some of those trying to discredit us on this forum may even be the corrupt Googlers themselves.

Sure, and the conspiracy advocates could be employees of Google's competitors. But concocting wild "what if" scenarios about who might or might not be spreading FUD (or operating under-the-table scams at Google) doesn't contribute to a mature or productive discussion.

Hobbs




msg:3752097
 6:09 pm on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Although I am experiencing 30% lower earnings for a while now, I tend to disagree with the wild conspiracies that are being floated here.

The more you are in tune with your traffic, the more the fluctuations will make sense to you, the more you know the less suspicious you will become, and the opposite is true. (With the exception of infrequent wild rides that are caused by advertising market fluctuations, algo changes and competition).

The more one believes in conspiracies the less likely they are to investigate other reasons and ways to increase earnings.

Finally, what is being called a 'ceiling', imo is most likely a combination of other factors or what I call the SmartPricing class of service (tm), where different sites are affected differently by the exact same factors, that makes a little more sense than pinky and the brain dark plots to rule the world.

dibbern2




msg:3752125
 6:40 pm on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

As this topic comes back over-and-over like a bad penny, I wonder where -among the proponents of the ceiling theory-- are those persons who can claim they have 100% eliminated all other possible factors.

In other words, they have a understanding of all other factors to such an extent that they can suggest an earnings ceiling must exist. I suggest that taking this view means traffic from ever-fluxing serps, market shifts, audience profile, and even your competitors' actions are so well understood that you can say "I know these are not part of my problem."

I have seen comments explaining that they have changed nothing in their sites, and so these other factors must therefore be unchanged. This assumption is not logical.

netmeg




msg:3752126
 6:40 pm on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Some of those trying to discredit us on this forum may even be the corrupt Googlers themselves.

ork ork!

Reminds me of a time way back when when I was accused of being an undercover FBI Agent on a conferencing system, just because I occasionally debunked the conspiracy theories of the tin foil hat crowd there.

Now, where can I get a tee shirt that says "Corrupt Googler" ?

ha ha ha ha ha.

Thanks, I needed something truly silly to read today.

Here's the bottom line folks - the people who are looking inward - concentrating on what THEY THEMSELVES can do to increase their coverage, minimize their risks, diversify their holdings, explore or expand their niches - those are the successful ones.

The ones who are looking outward - my competition is cheating, Google set a ceiling on my earnings, AdSense must be screwed cause I'm not doing well even though I've never taken the time to find out how AdWords works, it's not fair, it's not fair - those are the ones who are going to have trouble, if not now, then eventually.

OnlyToday




msg:3752197
 8:47 pm on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

...the people who are looking inward - concentrating on what THEY THEMSELVES can do to increase their coverage, minimize their risks, diversify their holdings, explore or expand their niches - those are the successful ones.

And of those who never suspect they may be being swindled are called victims.

The little scenario I laid out is not a conspiracy theory, it is simply typical of how most white collar crime is carried out.

[edited by: OnlyToday at 8:58 pm (utc) on Sep. 25, 2008]

ArtistMike




msg:3752278
 11:44 pm on Sep 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

No way for us to tell if there is a skimming technique going on inside Google or not. We are not allowed to see that much info. The only truth of the Google AdSense Publisher relationship is -- that we earn what Google and Advertisers allow us to earn and we have to take it or leave it. If that relationship is too uncomfortable for some, they leave. Each of you will decide how much you are willing to put up with a low income for your website real estate before you call it quits.

Small web site owners have no real bargaining power. Especially when we each are in competition with each other for the same ads and ad dollars. That is how Google likes it. Web site owners battling each other is only to the benefit of Google. Imagine the power that small web site owners would have if they all were bargaining as a unit! Wow.

Mike

OnlyToday




msg:3752292
 12:48 am on Sep 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

...concocting wild "what if" scenarios...

Actually I think that the way some people twist themselves all out of shape and force laughter trying to discredit plausible scenarios tells a lot about them. I agree that isn't very mature or productive either.

dibbern2




msg:3752327
 3:10 am on Sep 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

OnlyToday: would you mind letting this discussion get back to it's original question?

Play_Bach




msg:3752331
 3:38 am on Sep 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

If that's true, then somehow I must have broken through the ceiling as my earnings are now the highest ever - and by that I mean double - in the four years I've been using AdSense.

OnlyToday




msg:3752349
 4:12 am on Sep 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

OnlyToday: would you mind letting this discussion get back to it's original question?

When I'm attacked I respond, this discussion may do what it wants I'm not controlling it. I understand that you may disagree with me but my comments and speculations that caused the childish attacks are on topic--the existence and nature of an AdSense earnings ceiling.

Do you think the only valid comments are those you agree with?

Green_Grass




msg:3752378
 5:19 am on Sep 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hobbs

"Finally, what is being called a 'ceiling', imo is most likely a combination of other factors or what I call the SmartPricing class of service (tm), where different sites are affected differently by the exact same factors, that makes a little more sense than pinky and the brain dark plots to rule the world. "

Call it smart pricing algo..call it ceiling whatever.. as long as google fixes eCPM levels or total earnings based upon perceived value of the site.. It is a ceiling.

To break thru.. It is necessary to change the perception at the Google algo level.. Not all sites hit this block.. but some do and need to find ways to break thru.. as Netmeg says.. find ways to think out of the box .. and grow.

I accept that maybe it is something in my sites that is triggerring this ceiling. So I am working to find ways to grow earnings without getting hit by this seemingly negative perception of the algo.

Maybe time is a factor and I am being too impatient.

nomis5




msg:3752420
 7:27 am on Sep 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you think a ceiling exists then the reality is that it exists for you.

Ceilings can be broken as so many here testify and that's the key, the ceiling can be broken through. Go forth and plan how to break through your ceiling.

dibbern2




msg:3753204
 4:08 am on Sep 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Taking a look at the other side of the coin: is there a floor below the ceiling?

What I'm asking is if your earnings were pegged by some Ad Sense machination at $#*$!/day, and your potential diminishes (example:traffic falls) would AS adjust ad factors like eCPM to LIFT you above your previous $/visitor ratio, thereby insuring your earnings level?

Granted, its a weird question. But if you think about it --and you do believe in the ceiling theory-- wouldn't it make sense to work both ways?

BTW, I am not a believer. Just wondering.

Edge




msg:3753366
 1:55 pm on Sep 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

What I'm asking is if your earnings were pegged by some Ad Sense machination at $#*$!/day, and your potential diminishes (example:traffic falls) would AS adjust ad factors like eCPM to LIFT you above your previous $/visitor ratio, thereby insuring your earnings level?

Absolutely - YES to your question!

Works both ways for me - last week I had a surge in traffic (25,000+ more visitors) and my revenue averages out the same!

I know to within a couple of hundred dollars what I will make this month and next if my earnings target (ceiling) doesn't change.

Maybe this PR change going on at GG will affect my earnings target.

[edited by: Edge at 1:55 pm (utc) on Sep. 27, 2008]

PotteryCentre




msg:3753383
 2:46 pm on Sep 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Duh... ASA, please tell them:
You can't handle the truth

(duck and running)

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