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Will 15,000 hits a day get me to a \$100,000/yr?
Trev_Frank

Msg#: 3720057 posted 12:11 am on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Also, if a person visits my site, and then again 12 hours later, does that count as 2 unique visits? or do they have to re-visit the site 24 hours after...or a week after...?

BillyS

Msg#: 3720057 posted 1:12 am on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Trev_Frank

Welcome to WebmasterWorld

There is an Google Adsense forum, you might want to post this question there... Anyway, if you can maintain a \$18.27 eCPM, you'll hit \$100,000 with that kind of traffic. With 1 click in 30 page views, you'll need to average around \$0.55 per click, which can happen.

Uniques are usually counted each day. Best of luck to you.

zett

Msg#: 3720057 posted 3:58 am on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

 Will 15,000 hits a day get me to a \$100,000/yr?

Probably not.

Think \$0.01 per visitor ("a penny a pop") as a very rough estimate.

15,000 visitors per day = \$150 per day = \$54,750 per year

You will make less if you have less visitors, i.e. if your visitors are seeing more than one page per visit.

wrgvt

Msg#: 3720057 posted 3:01 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

There's also a big difference between hits and visitors.

Trev_Frank

Msg#: 3720057 posted 5:32 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

wrgvt, what is the difference between hits and visitors?

wrgvt

Msg#: 3720057 posted 6:04 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

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himalayaswater

Msg#: 3720057 posted 6:43 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Noop, not with 15k hits per day. Google has many criterias. I suggest start looking at affiliates program.

tim222

Msg#: 3720057 posted 7:11 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

I wish. Assuming you are talking page views, not visitors. But if 15K page views per day could result in \$100K revenue per year, then I would have quit my full time job a long time ago :)

StoutFiles

Msg#: 3720057 posted 7:35 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

 15,000 visitors per day = \$150 per day

This is also assuming you make a penny per visitor; some of us have topics that need 10x more visitors to make that money.

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 8:06 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google has published success stories about 30k pageviews-a-day (which are 'hits' and not 'visits') giving \$3000-a-day to a publisher (and \$7000 to Google)
May be... all such stories are 'for dummies' and to attract users; although I believe that some topics (like as Cancer, Mortgage, Laptop) are higher-paid...
Supposing that site becomes popular and goes from 3000 to 30000 hits-a-day and advertisers start bidding... one site has eCPM around \$15-\$20 and 2000 hits a day; with 30000 hits-a-day you may have additionally \$50 per-1000-impressions probably and eCPM can quickly grow... although some sites (such as dating) have very low eCPM (and big page-views-per-visitor)

HuskyPup

Msg#: 3720057 posted 8:57 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is this thread turning into a G bragging session?

 30k pageviews-a-day (which are 'hits' and not 'visits') giving \$3000-a-day to a publisher

Assuming an incredible 20% CTR that would mean an average EPC of USD 0.50.

Check through the threads here and you'll find very few with an EPC at that average let alone the 20% CTR.

 15,000 visitors per day = \$150 per day

This is also assuming you make a penny per visitor; some of us have topics that need 10x more visitors to make that money.

This was from an informal consensus survey here a few months ago with the top level being about USD 0.02 per visitor it would still only be USD 300 per day IF the OP is referring unique visitors.

YMMV

HowYesNo

Msg#: 3720057 posted 10:24 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

no

moTi

Msg#: 3720057 posted 11:10 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

hmm, let's see.. rough estimate:

15,000 hits/day ~ 150 visitors/day ~ 1\$/day ~ 360\$/year

answer is: no (if i were you i wouldn't quit school for that yet) *lol*

eeek

Msg#: 3720057 posted 11:17 pm on Aug 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

 1 in every 30 people click an ad...

That's a very high CTR. I doubt you'll get 1 in 100.

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 12:14 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

It depends on content quality and topic... I have 5% CTR in average... of course very high bounce rate 60%, 2 pageview-per-visitor... other sites may have low bounce rate 15-20%, high 20 pageview-per-visitor, and low 0.5% CTR.

BillyS

Msg#: 3720057 posted 12:22 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Trev_Frank -

Depending on the topic, it is quite possible to make \$18.27 eCPM. It's against the Adsense TOS to talk about our eCPMs, but many here break the rules and brag about eCPMs. I've seen people talk about these values in the \$30 range and I believe it.

BillyS

Msg#: 3720057 posted 12:32 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Here is someone talking about \$100 eCPM

[webmasterworld.com...]

Here is a \$47 eCPM:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Do a search here and you'll find many more examples. Again, depending on the topic, it is quite possible.

eeek

Msg#: 3720057 posted 1:11 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Possible is not the same as likely.

ken_b

Msg#: 3720057 posted 1:42 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

 1 in every 30 people click an ad...

That's a very high CTR. I doubt you'll get 1 in 100.

Usually it seems like we talk about CTR as it refers to pageviews instead of visitors. But even if each visitor only looks at one page the 1 of 30 isn't an especially high CTR at 3.333%.

If each visitor looks at a more likely 3 pages the CTR becomes much lower as it refers to pageviews.

Of course CTR varies widely depending on all kinds of factors, as others have indicated.

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 3:04 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

1 of 30 could be 3.333%, and it can really be 10% CTR - depends on topic (someone will delete this post soon) - '1 of 30' is 'visitor'-related term, and CTR is 'hits'-related (delete it now.)

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 3:13 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Need examples? Ok, without breaking TOC. I was working for large financial institution where I found very interesting paper dated 2002 comparing Google and Yahoo. Large bank made decision to invest to Google. And some numbers from that paper: highest paid Ads are Cancer-related drugs (unfortunately...), and mortgages. More than \$50 Cost-per-Click. 32% is paid to publishers (in average), so that (theoretically) site advertising cancer drugs could be as profitable as %5 CTR with \$750 eCPM. Lucky busines...

HuskyPup

Msg#: 3720057 posted 10:14 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

 I found very interesting paper dated 2002 comparing Google and Yahoo.

Ho hum, AdSense didn't exist then!

 More than \$50 Cost-per-Click.

Whilst most here "have heard" about this the reality is that since the introduction of Smart Pricing it is very unlikely that many have seen such high-priced clicks and certainly not a constant quantity of them.

We had a thread recently and if I remember correctly the highest single click someone had seen recently was +/-USD 25.00.

I regularly see USD 1.00-2.00 clicks however my average is way, way below:-(

moTi

Msg#: 3720057 posted 11:40 am on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

 '1 of 30' is 'visitor'-related term, and CTR is 'hits'-related

no, ctr is 'ad view' related. 'hits' is the number of fetched items on your page. it's a term mostly used by newbies, who believe it is something important, not knowing that this metric is completely useless for adsense and nearly all other comparisons.

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 12:15 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

'hits' and 'pageviews' in my previous message are synonyms. 'If 1 of 30 will click' - if 1 of 30 (persons) will click; 30 visitors will browse 20 pages each, 600 pageview. If one of 30 visitors will click we will get 1/600 = 1.667% CTR.

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 12:19 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Maybe that article was not 2002, may be it was 2005 - I don't remember exactly date and it really does not matter. The fact is that \$50+++ per-click was written in this paper for subjects like cancer, mortgage. And huge financial institution made desicion...

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 1:49 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Sorry guys, probably my calcs are based on wrong understandings... As a sample, AdSense shows 2700 impressions and 5% CTR; analytics shows different counters: 1900 visits / 3400 pageviews. \$0.01 - \$0.02 per pageview is correct estimate. Some sites (for instance forum-based) have even less due to high pageviews-per-user value. I tried AdWords two years ago just to check how much Google charges for some 'topics': 'Laptop' keyword, \$25 per-click.

zett

Msg#: 3720057 posted 1:51 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

 for subjects like cancer, mortgage

Yeah. Mortgage. Wasn't there something in 2007, in the U.S.? Like a mortgage crisis? Like, affecting the whole world economy? ;-)

Maybe there were advertisers willing to pay big bucks for mortgage related ads. But I guess that bubble has burst by now.

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 1:59 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

This is funny: [webmasterworld.com...]
\$100 eCPM with \$2 of absolute earnings - someone should know some MATH... if you have 10 visitors and someone clicked an Ad giving you \$2.00 your eCPM will be even \$200!

mainspot

Msg#: 3720057 posted 2:17 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yeah... Keep dreaming.

Most of the time... Reality hurts.
(duck and running)

Funtick

Msg#: 3720057 posted 2:58 pm on Aug 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

There is well-known story around... one is making 10k+ a day, with 300k+ pageviews-a-day. Forum-based. Even less than \$0.01-per-pageview. Plenty of fish. But this site costs even more even in eyes of possible investors: 1 billion.

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