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jk3210




msg:3629456
 7:48 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

An Adsense publisher copied one of our articles, so we faxed a DMCA to Adsense.

Within 24-hours Adsense had stopped serving ads to the infringer's ENTIRE site (several hundred pages worth).

Within 32-hours of initial notification the infringing content was long gone.

Outstanding performance by Adsense in my opinion.

 

MyNewPC




msg:3629466
 8:01 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Based on how quickly action was taken, it's likely that there have been other complaints against that publisher.

Is that site still giving 404s where his AdSense ads should be or has the code been removed?

Hobbs




msg:3629471
 8:08 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Good for you and AdSense Support!
I'd like to think the infringer was a proven repeat offender otherwise this could considered dangerous irresponsible action by Google in such a short period. Was he stealing other people's content or had obvious violations on his pages?

[webmasterworld.com...]

jk3210




msg:3629514
 8:55 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is that site still giving 404s where his AdSense ads should be or has the code been removed?

They just left a big smokin' hole in his sidebar.

Was he stealing other people's content or had obvious violations on his pages?

Well, yes and no. He WAS publishing other people's content, but apparently (judging from the views he expressed in the angry emails he sent me), he erroneously thought that slapping a "Fair Use" notice on each page allowed him to publish the full text and graphics of anything he wanted to without restriction and without complying with the conditions of Fair Use.

Judging from the changes he has now made to his site, I'd say he did some studying-up on Fair Use, etc.

My guess is that Adsense will probably reinstate him after the 10-day "lawsuit filing" waiting period. And that's fine with me since the guy probably isn't a bad guy or a serious spammer at all --he just appeared to be a little confused on copyright issues.

farmboy




msg:3629516
 9:04 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

...probably isn't a bad guy or a serious spammer at all --he just appeared to be a little confused on copyright issues.

That could be true. Then there are those people who believe what they want to believe about copyright law so they can claim innocence when caught.

In any event, I'm glad you posted this. Maybe it will put fear into some others who read this.

Personally I think intellectual property thieves are much more of a threat to us publishers than are MFA's and other such scoundrels that get a lot of attention around here.

FarmBoy

MyNewPC




msg:3629517
 9:06 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

judging from the views he expressed in the angry emails he sent me

How did he find out who filed the DMCA? Had you previously corresponded with him or did Google tell him who filed the complaint?

Hobbs




msg:3629547
 9:44 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

>MFA's .. that get a lot of attention around here

That will depend on what ales your site, money, traffic or both. Let them bust & castrate content thieves & MFA, it needs to hurt, and it needs to be known that it hurts.

[edited by: Hobbs at 10:14 pm (utc) on April 17, 2008]

jk3210




msg:3629581
 10:49 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

How did he find out who filed the DMCA?

I assume he remembered where he swiped the content from.

I don't know if Google initially informs the infringer of who files a DMCA or not, but his full contact info was sent to me in the counter-notification he filed with Google explaining the changes he'd made and requesting reinstatement. Google sends you a complete copy of the infringer's counter-notification if there is one.

I've previously had fairly good success with Google's DMCA process in the serps, but I have to say that these Adsense people come through the door with a big stick and a bad attitude when it comes to content thieves.

swa66




msg:3629638
 11:50 pm on Apr 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Don't forget to send the DMCA complaint to the website's ISP ...

Also ask them to enfoce their AUP (there should be no counter indication opportunities there ;-) )

night707




msg:3630400
 10:40 am on Apr 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

My impression is also very good. Fast response and even forwarding thieves to the search department.

FBI should also have a site for reporting thieves as well as some laywers could specialize on making money from thieves.

koan




msg:3630685
 9:13 pm on Apr 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

he just appeared to be a little confused on copyright issues

Aren't they all. Getting banned from Adsense seems to put the fear of god in content thieves a lot more than having to relocate to another host. Complaining to Adsense has now become a major asset against these people.

But the balls these people have sometimes... one guy once replied asking me to prove I didn't steal myself the content he stole from me. I guess when you are scum, you think everybody else is.

Scurramunga




msg:3630733
 12:31 am on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

But the balls these people have sometimes... one guy once replied asking me to prove I didn't steal myself the content he stole from me.

I have had a similar, but even nastier experience. Luckly for this guy we were sperated by the Pacific Ocean.

farmboy




msg:3630739
 12:42 am on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

...one guy once replied asking me to prove I didn't steal myself the content he stole from me...

That's not a bad move from the crook's perspective. If someone is crazy enough to engage in a conversation with the thief, he can assess whether you have some means of proving you had the content first.

FarmBoy

Scurramunga




msg:3630744
 1:23 am on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

If someone is crazy enough to engage in a conversation with the thief, he can assess whether you have some means of proving you had the content first.

Yes, this was my inital concern. However I was well placed for a fight because the image content that was stolen from me was backed up in it's original (comples) photshop psd layers so it was easy to prove that I was the original creator.

As with the stolen text, I conducted a search using the wayback machine and found that I could demonstrate that my content appeared on the net before his, although I don't know if this would be sufficent enough evidence to prove that I wrote it.

koan




msg:3630745
 1:28 am on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

he can assess whether you have some means of proving you had the content first.

I usually address the webmaster first and depending on the reaction, I will contact other concerned parties after. When I get an answer like that one, of course I don't bother engaging communication anymore and I just take it with Google and the host.

I know from experience that the moment there is some resistance on the other side, it's a waste of time to keep talking.

Anat




msg:3630800
 7:04 am on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think anyone web savvy enough to run a website and monetize via Adsense knows, or should know, the basics of copyrights. At least the "thou shall not steal" bit ;) Good on you on getting this sorted out so quickly!

wyweb




msg:3630846
 10:21 am on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think anyone web savvy enough to run a website and monetize via Adsense knows, or should know, the basics of copyrights.

Oh, I don't know about that at all. Web savvy's got nothing to do with it anymore. Complete idiots can, and have, slapped up hundreds of pages on drag and drop blogs hosted on free servers with article titles like, "What I had for lunch yesterday," and "A cool dream I had while I was taking a nap," and then crammed adsense blocks into every free inch of space they have. What's web savvy got to do with that?

I've had content thieves email me after I got their sites shut down and tell me they honestly had no idea they couldn't take my stuff and use it on their site. The sad thing is that I actually believed a few of them.

MyNewPC




msg:3630876
 12:26 pm on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anat, spend a little time on the AdSense Help Forums and you'll see exactly what wyweb is referring to.

farmboy




msg:3630885
 1:12 pm on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think anyone web savvy enough to run a website and monetize via Adsense knows...

You would think so. On another discussion list where I participate there is an attorney currently arguing it is OK to take articles and redistribute them in whole as long as it is not for commercial use. This attorney does not practice in the area of copyright law but because it is an attorney "speaking", the people who want this to be true are eating it up.

FarmBoy

wyweb




msg:3630894
 1:37 pm on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've heard it over and over again on various forums that it's perfectly acceptable to use whatever you find on the internet as long as you give credit to the original author, as in a link back to their site or something else equally ridiculous. Steal it, but it's okay as long as you tell everybody where you stole it at.. sheesh...

swa66




msg:3630931
 2:33 pm on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm afraid some are mixing a (short) quote with copying content.

Anat




msg:3630947
 2:56 pm on Apr 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well, could be. The people I know, and yes, maybe I am showing my age here, aren't able to open a blogger blog on blogspot. It's not that they can't do it, per se, but they find the concept so intimidating, they don't even try. They're not particularly stupid, some of them are extremely intelligent and skilled professionals in other areas, they are just web-phobic to one degree or another.

In my experience, with other mom bloggers and just people I know on boards, who aren't webmasters, people have a huge learning curve in both operating a website (even a free-hosted blog) and monetizing it. Not saying there are no ignorant or non-techie web publishers out there, only that I don't know too many of them, I guess.

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