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experienced




msg:3565782
 2:11 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi,

we have been into the adsense since it starts and we crossed $3k+ many times. the main issue is why google delist MFA when they are having all copyrighted content ans quality back llinks. when we start the site it goes well and after 4 or 5 month or sometime 8 month it start dropping in traffic from google and income as well.. At the same time we have been observing other sites doing the same thing but they are doing quite good for the same kind of sites. they are also MFA just adding page for adsense with ot without content...

We also regular add content and quality links in the site...how can we stay with the MFA sites for long time. ;-)

thanks

 

tim222




msg:3565878
 4:03 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

People figured out MFA sites were an easy way to make money so now the internet is cluttered with them. It's kind of like birds in your backyard. You put out some seed, and the first few birds that come along and eat the free food are cute. But if you keep doing it, next thing you know your backyard is full of noisy, messy birds. At a certain point you gotta stop putting the seeds out there.

f1r3b4ll




msg:3565998
 6:03 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think your conception of MFA site is wrong. If you are using "quality content" and by this I mean something completely original and you also have quality back-links, then you are not an MFA site. You are a website that happens to have Google Adsense on it.

MFA sites are usually sites made up of various RSS feeds from other sites with no quality content. This is just one of many variations on the MFA site.

MFA sites suck for many reasons, but mainly because they are not doing all the work in the creation process. They are simply creating a website to display Google Adsense.

Making a website just for Google Adsense is a lot different than being a website that happens to have Google Adsense on it.

System
redhat



msg:3566035
 6:35 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

The following 2 messages were cut out to new thread by martinibuster. New thread at: google_adsense/3566033.htm [webmasterworld.com]
10:56 am on Feb. 4, 2008 (utc -8)

experienced




msg:3566446
 6:01 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Making a website just for Google Adsense is a lot different than being a website that happens to have Google Adsense on it. "

How does this make a difference when a site is having adsense just for google adsense income and 1 another site is doing same thing which is not meant for adsense and still looking for high income from adsense.. what is the difference between both of them... They both are having quality content and links. both sud survive as fas as the google policy is concern, till the tile you have original content and good links to your site.. your site sud be there in google, ranking or placement is a different issue. but it sud survice...

Is it something that MFA sites use lets say 3 ads of 336*280 on a page to cover the major part of the page. do you thins can hurt a site or can categorise in MFA site...

what do you say...

jomaxx




msg:3566459
 6:21 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

The way "MFA" is typically used around here, it refers to a website that offers nothing of value and has no intrinsic reason to exist, except as a kind of life-support system for AdSense ads.

This kind of site does NOT have quality content and will get few if any natural links. Maybe paid links or reciprocal links, but no normal person would link to it organically. In fact many rely on advertising for essentially 100% of their traffic.

From your description, I don't think you are running an "MFA" site.

experienced




msg:3566463
 6:35 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

exctly.. this is what i am talking about.. I use to have approx 250 initial articles in a website and regularly we add new pages with copyrighted content into it. Including links of PR 4 and 3, no paid links and all. still google removes those adsense sites from the SERP. i am now willing to send a request to google for inclusion, but i am not sure what is waitng for my site to come. google removed my sites in just 3 days not even a single page when i had top 3 rankings for 65% of my keywords.. on 31st jan site was doing good and suddenly on 3rd of feb there is nothing for my domain... few backlinks i can see in Google UK, thats it

Do you think reinclusion request will help ..

Any help will be appreciated...

jomaxx




msg:3566468
 6:51 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

This probably belongs in the "Google News" forum, as IMO it is not an AdSense matter. In fact I doubt that Google rewards or penalizes the presence of AdSense code in any way. Or the code of any mainstream advertising network, for that matter.

It sounds to me like you are experiencing normal symptoms of a new site. Google seems to reward new pages/sites for a short time, in order to help them get some kind of visibility, and then lets them sink or swim on their own. I suspect you saw your pages in the SERPs and assumed that this would be your permanent, rightful spot. Not so.

netchicken1




msg:3566479
 7:19 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think you need someone to look at your site and see if there is somthing google objects to in the structure or coding.

Duplicate content errors,
Hidden links,

etc etc

experienced




msg:3566493
 7:55 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

well i did not get the rankings in few days, it has taken a ots of work like writing quality articles, taking link backs and all, regularly adding quality links to the site, everything. and we did nt get the rankings in a day, we were lacking behind on 1st page say 70 to 80 rankins 6 month back, then we added some more good articles and article submissions and all... then we got the rankings stable since 3 month.

Our most of the pages having 3 ads, some time 3 ads for 336*280. do you think google reads this as a whole page having ads, although here is sufficient content on the each page, but i doubt this might be the issue...

on the other hand, if this is the issue, google sud remove the site slowly or say Site banned for adsense, instead of removing the whole site from index... :-(..

Now i have removed all ads from the pages and trying to write to google for reinclusion..

jomaxx




msg:3566495
 7:59 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Why would they ban sites for using AdSense? They OWN AdSense. They WANT tons of sites to use AdSense.

experienced




msg:3566533
 9:57 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jomaxx for the reply.

Why I am scared is that our site does not have any other revenue model.

Infact to be honest, we made those sites to earn via adsense only. But these have original content written by our inhouse team of copy writers and developed by designers.

Our all the pages are informational and are written after doign proper research on the topic and 2% keyword density.

We make 5-6 sites per month with a team of 20 people. All are hosted on a set of 3 IPs on 3 different servers.

All the domoins are registered in our company name only as we need not to hide anything..we thoguht so :( .

Please comment.

netmeg




msg:3566735
 2:53 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Experienced - you say you saw your sites tank on February 3? Are AdSense ads still showing on your sites, or are there just blanks spaces? Did you lose ranking in the organic Google search, or did your ads stop running, or both?

The reason I ask is, on another forum that I monitor, there's a thread about some domain parking companies that provide RSS content and articles; the domain holder puts his own AdSense on the site, and either uses his own content or the RSS feed for related topics. A bunch of those suddenly went dark on February 3, and one of the proprietors received a notice from Google leading him to think it was some kind of a policy change; the sites were going to be evaluated individually, and no more blanket approvals. It seemed to happen to at least three or four different companies, and in most cases, not *all* sites went dark, just some of them.

If you somehow got lumped into that business model, that might be what happened to you.

farmboy




msg:3566970
 7:00 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

The reason I ask is, on another forum that I monitor, there's a thread about some domain parking companies that provide RSS content and articles; the domain holder puts his own AdSense on the site, and either uses his own content or the RSS feed for related topics. A bunch of those suddenly went dark on February 3...

I think a lot of people grab RSS feeds without ever reading the terms on the site providing the feed/content. I've found that a number of sites have terms that prohibit their feed content from being used for commercial purposes.

I've read some speculation that there is a terms enforcement action underway from some sites and that may include asking Google to remove AdSense from sites showing the RSS fed content.

FarmBoy

koan




msg:3566988
 7:17 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

This thread is rather confusing and I'm not sure why it belongs to the adsense forum but...

Our most of the pages having 3 ads, some time 3 ads for 336*280

Ouch.

tim222




msg:3567100
 9:10 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Infact to be honest, we made those sites to earn via adsense only. But these have original content written by our inhouse team of copy writers and developed by designers.

Our all the pages are informational and are written after doign proper research on the topic and 2% keyword density.

We make 5-6 sites per month with a team of 20 people. All are hosted on a set of 3 IPs on 3 different servers.

Wow... an MFA factory. This is fascinating.

Marcia




msg:3567142
 9:50 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

We make 5-6 sites per month with a team of 20 people. All are hosted on a set of 3 IPs on 3 different servers.

So how many sites altogether? And how are the sites linked? Where do the links to the new 5-6 sites a month come from?

netmeg




msg:3567158
 10:11 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Wow... an MFA factory. This is fascinating.

There's lots of 'em. You can go out and find them and sign up for them if you have a bunch of domains lying around not in use. Places like WhyPark and EVOLanding (I think) and so forth. Except that it appears they no longer work with AdSense. Most of them have been purring along happily, supposedly with Google's blessing, for some time now. I heard at least one managed to switch over to YPN without too much of a hassle.

tim222




msg:3567253
 11:48 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

There's lots of 'em.

I suppose if I had thought about it I might have guessed. But someohow I always thought of MFA sites being manufactured by a single person, using an article generator. The concept of 20 people getting together to crank out MFA's kind of amazed me.

potentialgeek




msg:3567408
 4:43 am on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's news to me, too, and funny in a perverse kind of way.

You can imagine families in third-world countries hearing about this Adsense thingamejig and deciding it's easier than hauling rice for 12 hours a day.

"Let's put the family to work... Little Johny, you do this... Aunt Mary, you can do this..."

And away we go.

I'm only half kidding. I sometimes check whois data for MFA type sites and occasionally it's off in some TWN.

The MFA Factory. An interesting concept indeed.

p/g

experienced




msg:3567420
 5:13 am on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi,

yes you can call it a MFA factory, and there are so many companies ding the same kind of things. The point it when the sites are original in nature and quality articles and not crossed linked from the same Gaccount ads or from other Gaccount ads, why google took it out from the result pages. we have approx 30 sites in a sngle account are hosted on different 3 server but not cross linked..

netmeg - adsense are still showing on the site but we have taken them off now and sent a request to reconsideration. we did not receive anything from google and i dont think that domain parking issue would be there, bcoz we own the domain and we have the domain right to manage and all, plus we are the one book the domain so there is no company behind the site except we and the company we took the reseller domains panel.

netmeg




msg:3567681
 2:45 pm on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

If AdSense is still showing, but all you lost was your ranking in the organic search results, then it's not an AdSense issue. AdSense wouldn't (and would be able to) pull your ranking. You may have any number of other issues, but not AdSense.

tim222




msg:3567763
 4:18 pm on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's sort of an AdSense issue, because apparently the act of being an MFA has caused a reduction in page rank. Actually this is a more effective way of dealing with an MFA than pulling their account. The MFAs that went to other affiliate programs but kept their SERPs are still able to thrive.

netmeg




msg:3567781
 4:35 pm on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's sort of an AdSense issue, because apparently the act of being an MFA has caused a reduction in page rank. Actually this is a more effective way of dealing with an MFA than pulling their account. The MFAs that went to other affiliate programs but kept their SERPs are still able to thrive.

I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion. Did the OP mention page rank? I thought it was just that they dropped in the SERPS. Dropping pagerank doesn't necessarily mean losing indexing or pagerank, nor the converse. AdSense has stated repeatedly that they don't affect the SERPS and vice versa (same with AdWords). At this point, I would tell experienced to check his Google Webmaster Tools account, and see if Google is telling him anything there.

jomaxx




msg:3567797
 4:54 pm on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's got nothing to do with AdSense. Basically, experienced's company is trying to game the search engine and Google is catching them.

Someone should tell them that it's all SO much easier when you create real content and attract real links, rather than creating fake content and having to use your own fake links.

tim222




msg:3567818
 5:18 pm on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Did the OP mention page rank? I thought it was just that they dropped in the SERPS.

You're right, I was confusing page rank with SERPs.

Someone should tell them that it's all SO much easier when you create real content and attract real links, rather than creating fake content and having to use your own fake links.

Also true. I don't spend much time worrying about SEO, and I have some #1 positions anyway.

It's got nothing to do with AdSense.

I still think it's somewhat related, in that the sites are made for AdSense, and the drop in position prevents the MFA from accomplishing its goal. If AdSense is A, and SERP is B, I'm not saying that A caused B, but that B has affected A. I think it's interesting because it's actually an effective way of dealing with MFAs. It doesn't just drive them out of AdSense. It gives them less of a reason to exist at all.

Skeptic




msg:3567826
 5:26 pm on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think there is a relationship, although not direct. I have seen a pattern in some of my own websites. Usually, an affiliate site will be dropped from the SERPs (seems like a domain is completely blocked from the search index). Sometime later, Adsense is blocked from being displayed from a domain. Makes the domain worthless to me.

Two departments of the same company reviewing websites - easy for them to communicate with each other.

experienced




msg:3568449
 12:15 pm on Feb 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

jomaxx..... Well i am not sure you have read the thread, whatever content we have on the each page in our site is the copyrighted and there is no duplicate copy available over the web or indexed by google or any other engine. We have related PR 3 to PR 4 and sometime PR 5 link as well from the different IP address, and they are not paid links at all.

I am not sure what do you mean by real content... Pls explain...

Apart of this...Since 3 days i have removed the google ads, send the reconsideration request, my site (2 pages) are again indexed back to the same rankings. and rest of the pages are still not indexed.

Green_Grass




msg:3568500
 1:38 pm on Feb 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

experienced

I admire your honesty in coming forward with a description of your sites as MFA. The way you describe it, it does not seem to be a pure MFA play. It is debatable if all sites that use primarily adSense to monetise traffic are MFA or not or on the borderline..

I am sure there are many webmasters here who have more focussed MFA sites but are all acting as holier than thou..

The problems you are facing are best solved / discussed in the Google Search forum. Here you are only going to get snide comments.

Best Wishes..

rogerd




msg:3568556
 2:49 pm on Feb 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

experienced, your description suggests that your team is creating content sites and merely monetizing them with Adsense. I doubt if your problem with lower SERPs is due to Adsense. I could imagine a couple of problems that might affect SERPs in a negative way, most of them related to having multiple sites.

If your team is indeed churning out multiple new sites per month, Google may be finding them to be related in some way - cross-linkage, similar inbound link patterns, domain registration or hosting similarities, and who knows what else. Maybe even toolbar tracking.

Other quality indicators could add up - overly optimized keyword links, a focus on high-value keywords, inbounds from cheesy directories, etc. It could be that a bunch of factors, insignificant singly, finally added up to cause a ranking decline.

One other thought - while original content is a lot better than copied content, is it really GOOD content? If a reporter from the New York Times stumbled across the site, would she say, "Wow, this is a great resource!" or "Looks like recycled, badly written dreck."? How you answer that question will determine your natural linkage patterns, i.e., how much linkage the sites get from independent, reputable sites. Real content sites don't have to hunt links, they just need to be patient and their links will grow every month.

One of the things I've noticed over the years at WebmasterWorld is that the definition of "great original content" is all over the map. For some sites, that means well-written, original articles created by recognized authors or other experts in the field. Other webmasters think content is great even when it is boring keyword-stuffed drivel churned out by barely-literate drones. I'm not suggesting that's the case for your sites, experienced, but there's certainly enough of that on the web.

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