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January 2008: Are You Seeing The Lowest Numbers Ever?
What are some good legal practices to fight smartpricing & help advertisers
Erku

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 2:31 pm on Jan 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the lowest numbers ever. Is it the same for you?

Few questions:

1.) If you are smart priced how long does it take until you get out of it, or do you ever?

2.) What are some potential things that can smartprice your account?

3.) What can a webmaster do to overcome smartprising or to avoid smartpricing.

4.) What are the things that cause an acount to be smartpriced. I think this is an important thing to know, what can you do, to make sure you are not smartpriced?

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If webmasters are smartpriced because clicks don't make sale, what about some VERY POOR landing pages that Adword advertisers have. I have seen landing pages that will HARDLY MAKE SALE. Is it fair to hold the webmasters responsible for the click not making the sale?

ASA your help here will be greatly appreciated. Any input will help all of us.

 

mrSEman

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 7:35 am on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Are You Seeing The Lowest Numbers Ever?

no

jomaxx

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 8:13 am on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Re jimmychuang - see also this recent thread he started: "Is it legal to rewrite other people's articles?"

(Actually that thread is now on hold, but I read it before it was put on hold and it's basically exactly what the title says it is.)

Bottom line: I wouldn't read anything universal into what that individual is experiencing.

farmboy

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 3:29 pm on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Do you use Adsense Arbitrage just like me?

NO.

FarmBoy

tim222

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 4:48 pm on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Do you use Adsense Arbitrage just like me?

LOL. This is SO typical...

koan

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 9:55 pm on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Threads like this are just like those that starts with "I was banned and did nothing wrong" that put the fear of god in everyone and then the original poster asks "What do you mean we can't click on our ads, this is so unfair! Gogle iz EVAL!111"

jimmychuang

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 9:20 am on Jan 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi, tim222

Alyhough I do Adsense Arbitrage, but it's how I get money, I don't have much budges and english is not my native language.

By the way, google maybe not encourage their publishers use this method, but they won't ban these publishers unless they cheat google.

Actually, my traffic sources are really qualified. Traffic from YSM is not untargeted visitors.

The problem is not because of my traffic is ilegal or immoral. It's due to some niche markets' pay per click truely drop down.

And I also believe there are many advertisers lower their bid, or out of the PPC advertisement for a while.

I have communicate with google adsense's support, if they really don't appreciate what I do, I don't think they need to give me any advice.

For the people claim they don't have any change on their adsense income, that's maybe their niche markets are not effected that much.
Or they earn adsense income from very stable resources. Don't need to care about how much money can I invest on PPC. Their traffic come from free resources, of course they won't care about the market issue.

If I can write good articles in english, I can definitely drive free traffic to my own sites, then I won't worry about how much spend, and how much I earn. I just focus on building content and traffic.

tim222

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 5:30 pm on Jan 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

If I can write good articles in english, I can definitely drive free traffic to my own sites, then I won't worry about how much spend, and how much I earn. I just focus on building content and traffic.

jimmychuang,
Your english is fine. So give it a shot. Write articles about where you live. Take pictures with a digital camera and post them online. People will be more interested in your descriptions and photos than your grammar. In time, you'll have plenty of the free traffic that you seek. But don't expect this to happen within a few weeks, or even months. It will take a few years, but at that time I guarantee you'll be much farther ahead than if you keep trying "tricks" to game the system.

jimmychuang

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 11:31 pm on Jan 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I have a plan now. I won't depend on this trick anymore. PPC can drive instant traffic, but for long term, free traffic is better.

In this time, I'm sure doing adsense arbitrage not a good plan anymore.

I decide to create a real valuable website. It seems like diffcult, but it's the better way to have long term business.

Although it still make me upset that I can not use this adsense arbitrage to make good money anymore.

loudspeaker

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 11:53 pm on Jan 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

So give it a shot. Write articles about where you live. Take pictures with a digital camera and post them online. People will be more interested in your descriptions and photos than your grammar. In time, you'll have plenty of the free traffic that you seek. But don't expect this to happen within a few weeks, or even months. It will take a few years, but at that time I guarantee you'll be much farther ahead than if you keep trying "tricks" to game the system.

Tim, Not to get off-topic, but are you really advocating writing travel content? Really? It seems like the web is already saturated with it... Frankly, I think there's absolutely no money in it (except for a few large-scale aggregators who never wrote a line of their own content) and the only way to do it is do it as a hobby.

BillyS

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 1:25 am on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Few questions:

1.) If you are smart priced how long does it take until you get out of it, or do you ever?

I think we're all smartpriced. Isn't that they way their network works?

2.) What are some potential things that can smartprice your account?

Good content or bad content.

3.) What can a webmaster do to overcome smartprising or to avoid smartpricing.

Write more informative content.

4.) What are the things that cause an acount to be smartpriced. I think this is an important thing to know, what can you do, to make sure you are not smartpriced?

Like I said, I think we're all smartpriced. It's just that some see a negative result and others seem unaffected.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3550643 posted 2:31 am on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not to get off-topic, but are you really advocating writing travel content? Really? It seems like the web is already saturated with it... Frankly, I think there's absolutely no money in it (except for a few large-scale aggregators who never wrote a line of their own content) and the only way to do it is do it as a hobby.

The Web is saturated with just about everything, but that doesn't mean mom-and/or-pop publishers can't make an excellent living writing about travel, technology, or other "saturated" topics. That doesn't mean it's easy, or that anyone can do it. To be a successful publisher (in the traditional, non-AdSense meaning of the word), you need editorial skills plus the ability to identify and attract an audience that will generate revenue for your site. (Mind you, that's just as true in the offline world as it is on the Web, if not more so: How many writers, technicians, or entrepreneurs have the ability to publish a successful newspaper, magazine, or book?)

tim222

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 4:15 pm on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Tim, Not to get off-topic, but are you really advocating writing travel content? Really? It seems like the web is already saturated with it... Frankly, I think there's absolutely no money in it (except for a few large-scale aggregators who never wrote a line of their own content) and the only way to do it is do it as a hobby.

I suppose if jimmychuang lives in a popular tourist destination then it would become travel content. If not, then people will still read it to learn about other cultures. I like seeing pictures and reading about life in places I'll never cisit. I'm sure others do, too.

Also, I doubt that there's "absolutely no money in it." It might not be much, but it can't be zero.

But that's not the point. The point was to suggest a topic for a website that's better than "how to make money by gaming the system." My guess is if jimmychuang had a concept for a unique website, he'd already be doing that. But taking pictures and writing about the local area is something that anyone can do. (That's why the web is saturated with those sites.) Not knowing his talents or area of expertise, it seemed like a safe suggestion.

malinkam

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 8:44 pm on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)


System: The following 4 messages were spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google_adsense/3558152.htm [webmasterworld.com] by martinibuster - 3:55 pm on Jan. 25, 2008 (utc -8)


Subject says it all, is it just me?

Atomic

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 9:24 pm on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

No. I've noticed a hefty drop, too. Give it some time. There may be a click dump or two. It's too early to pick which window to jump out of.

malinkam

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 9:36 pm on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've seen low levels before the so called dump, this is the lowest. I guess I'll stay away from windows for now.

Gone

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 11:34 pm on Jan 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Lower and lower. Earnings remain the same only because traffic is increasing.

sutrostyle

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 1:05 am on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

We have 6 channels in a large website. 5 channels, including the historically highest earner, are down to unprecedented level. 6th channel (that has not done so well before) is doing better, keeping the overall site ecpm above that of RMX that we have there for monitoring purposes. I should note that the well performing channel has been created recently, so perhaps it has not been "smart"priced just yet.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3550643 posted 1:30 am on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Now that January is almost over, I'd have to say that the month has been pretty normal. Average EPC is down a tiny bit from last month, but CTR is up, and eCPM is also running slightly head of December. With all the recession talk in the air, I've been expecting a dip in traffic and earnings, but that hasn't happened--at least not yet. (January is normally a strong month for my topic, so it's possible that the customary post-New Year's surge is temporarily masking the effects of a depressed economy.)

netchicken1

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 2:03 am on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Mine is insane, the epcm fluctuates up to 300% per day. From lows that I have not sen in years, to highs that are respectable.

II cannot belive that every 2nd day a new good paying adcampaign starts and ends that day.

Ther emust be something in the background running.

Overall I am about 60% of Decembers income so far this month.

indias next no1

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 11:31 am on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

first few days of this month was normal but after that till date the ecpm is bad and nearly 30% down

jimmychuang

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 3:12 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

What is smart price?

Maybe My account've smart priced.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3550643 posted 3:24 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

What is smart price?

Here's how Google explains it to advertisers:

"Google's smart pricing feature automatically adjusts the cost of a keyword-targeted content click based on its effectiveness compared to a search click. So if our data shows that a click from a content page is less likely to turn into actionable business results -- such as online sales, registrations, phone calls, or newsletter signups -- we reduce the price you pay for that click."

And here's a Google "Facts about Smart Pricing" page for publishers:

[adsense.blogspot.com...]

jimmychuang

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 4:00 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

But, how does google track the sales and calls?

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 4:02 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

"But, how does google track the sales and calls? "

That is a secret! Otherwise anyone can game the system with arbitrage... ;-)

(and I am not telling...)

(as if I know...)

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3550643 posted 4:07 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

But, how does google track the sales and calls?

They don't have to. They've gathered huge quantities of conversion data for different types of content, pages, etc. over the years, and they can make assumptions based on statistical probability. (The fact that some Webmasters may be unhappy when such assumptions don't work in their favor is beside the point.)

jimmychuang

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 4:47 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

If I've been smart priced, do I have chance raise ecpm again?

I think maybe I bought traffic from a 2-tier PPC program, they drove a lot of traffic to my sites last month. Then after 8,Jan. The ecpm suddenly drop down. Not only one of my websites, my all websites' income drop down.

But when I asked google about this issuue, they never talk about smart price thing, they always tell me it a normal situation.

I really don't want to ruin my adsense income. I have bought high quality traffic YSM last year. Although the amount of traffic is smaller, and more expensive. But I don't have this issue.

When will he smart price stop?

greatstart

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 5:03 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

When will he smart price stop?

Smart Pricing will never stop. Just when I think after having several good days in a row, the smart pricing kicks in on my account, and the pay per click gets cut in half.

I would say that in my experience with running AdSense, I see smart pricing an average of twice a week.

jimmychuang

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 5:51 pm on Jan 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

I see smart price last for over two weeks...

Google support tell me: It's normal condition, price up and down, it depend...

But I check my stat everyday. The ecpm never go up.

morpheus83

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 6:11 am on Jan 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same here Adsense earnings have dropped by around 40%. But I guess that is normal with January. Hope it increases by Feb.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3550643 posted 3:55 pm on Jan 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same here Adsense earnings have dropped by around 40%. But I guess that is normal with January.

Depends on the topic. If your topic is consumer widgets, you might hit a peak during the Christmas-shoping season and see a plunge after January 1; if it's leisure travel, you might experience a slump late in the year and a big boost in January. (The latter is my pattern and has been since the 1990s.)

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 3550643 posted 10:48 pm on Jan 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Strange.

January will be highest income in 14 months.

Last 5 days had highest CPM in 8 months. Up 50% from norms.

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