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aquarius26

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Msg#: 3517949 posted 12:03 pm on Dec 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi everyone.

This is my first post in this forum, so a big hello.

I hope you are able to give me some guideance relating to Adsense.

I joined the Adsense programme a while back and have been busily building some new websites that can incorporate adsense units in the sidebar, or across the page.

I should add that these sites are not yet completed and, as such, are not yet visible on the web.

Here are my questions.

I'd like to ask whether it's correct that I'm allowed only the total of three adsense units on my index, or home page?

Can I have up to three ad units on all the other pages of my web site too, or am I only allowed to place them on the index, or home page?

If I am allowed to place ads on all pages of my site, will the ad links be different in each unit - i.e: pointing to different sites - or are they likely to be just copies of the units on my index, or home page?

Can I place Amazon advert units and/or Yahoo! advert units on the same page as Google Ads?

I would also like to ask about a seperate issue.

Having spent so much money on setting up several schemes, I thought that it would be kinda nice to earn a bit back. I mean, what's wrong with that, eh?

I recently purchased an item from eBay - '450 Pre-built Adsense Optimised Webpages'.

Each page has content relating to a specific subject and invites Google Ads to be inserted down the sides of the page.

There are a lot of adverts for Adsense websites/webpages on eBay, and across the web. The product info sounds very promising and suggests that these optimised pages are able to earn good money under the Adsense scheme.

I have been studying how to insert my Adsense code and preparing to upload the pages to my hosting account, before sitting back and, as the eBay adverts say, 'watching the big bucks roll in'.

Sounds almost too good to be true. Probably because it is.

O.K, so I probably got duped. But hey, I bet I won't be the first!

Yesterday, I came upon another site selling Pre-built Adsense pages and in the small print I noticed that it said something like 'the seller of these pages cannot guarantee that in using them you will not be banned from Google Adsense.

Gosh, I thought. Is this likely?

After some investigation I have now reached a point where I am not certain what to believe.

I need to earn some money, so using the pages seems very appealing.

After all, each page does have relevant content and seems properly laid-out.

However, I have read that pages produced purely for the purpose of inviting Google Adsense adverts are frowned upon by Google, and that using them may cost me my account.

Surely the purpose of Adsense is to allow its advertisers to gain maximum visibility, which means that the more pages that display their adverts across the web the better.

By adding these 450 Adsense pages to the web, surely I'd be offering yet more pages that advertisers could use to pass on their message. In return, I earn money.

What's essentially wrong with this?

It would be a bit like telling the owners of a supermarket that they can't open a new store simply because they already have a hundred others.

After-all, business is all about growth.

If I were to spend a year building 450 new pages that have content relating to different topics - i.e: homecare, gardening, health & beauty, food, etc. - and then include them as pages in a kind of directory site, surely this would be allowed by google.

So, what is the problem with using pre-built pages?

In the event that such pre-built pages are O.K to use, then there's no problem. If they are not O.K to use, then shouldn't eBay ban the sale of them?

Can anyone here give me some useful advice on how to make lots of money with Adsense (the kind of amounts that the eBay ads would lead you to believe is possible) whilst remaining within the guidelines?

Wouldn't it be refreshing if, just for once, it were possible to set-up a lawful, easy to implement programme (something that doesn't need special skills and take months to build) that earns money from day one.

Seems to me that giants like Google want people to join up to their schemes, but then can't wait to pile on endless rules and regulations that make it virtually impossible to earn anything.

I mean, what's the point?!

Any feedback and suggestions gratefully received.

 

mayest

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 2:49 am on Dec 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Those '450 Pre-built Adsense Optimised Webpages' are probably already on a thousand other sites. How are you ever going to get traffic? Also, if the pages are that good, why on earth would anybody be selling them (probably cheaply) on ebay?

Don't do it. Even if you make a few bucks, it isn't worth it.

There is no elevator to AdSense success. You have to take the stairs.

If you want to know how to get rich, the basic idea is pretty simple. Create your own good content that provides people with information or services that they are clamoring for.

Oh, welcome to WebmasterWorld!

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3517949 posted 3:26 am on Dec 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

mayest, I don't know if having the content on thousands of other sites is enough to get you banned, but it's enough to make ebay content users disappear in the search engines and not earn money.

The problem with template sites sold on eBay is that they use content stolen from other websites.

I know because I have had my content stolen and used on AdSense. So what I do is shut down anyone selling my content on eBay, plus advise the template users to remove my content or be faced with being banned from AdSense.

There are no shortcuts, you cannot get rich quick. Don't believe the hype.

koan

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 8:17 am on Dec 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Wouldn't it be refreshing if, just for once, it were possible to set-up a lawful, easy to implement programme (something that doesn't need special skills and take months to build) that earns money from day one.

Use a little logic. Any "easy" scheme to make money would be used by almost everybody rapidly which would negate its earning power just as fast since the supply would be greater than the demand.

The only way to make big, easy money in this world is to become a criminal. It's possible but you then contemplate stiff prison sentences or being knocked out of the game by other, more violent criminals.

The rest of us have to find something we're good at and work hard. A minority either gets lucky or are incredibly talented and become rich.

naitsirhc26

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 1:49 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

My only thought for you in the new game of Adsense; just work hard. Success will hopefully come later, as long as you are doing everything correctly. :-)

I have worked REALLY hard on Adsense for almost a year now, and I can proudly say I pay for my website's hosting through Adsense. (that just shows you how hard some really have to work to make anything with adsense). But I am NOT complaining; it's enjoyable to work on Adsense, and it DOES grow for me with each and every month. So I just keep looking at the big picture and think of where I will be in maybe 5-10 years. Wow!

:-)

menial

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 3:06 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

My only thought for you in the new game of Adsense; just work hard.

Alternatively (the quicker approach) is to carefully study the Google AdSense Case Studies: [google.com ], for example NeoPets.com:

“We’ve had significantly better results since switching to Google,” said Javier Saralegui, President of Univision Online. “Google helps us monetize our site better.”

"From the beginning, AdSense has been a key source of revenue."

[google.com ]

The problem is, they now use Overture as contextual ads and Amazon/affiliate links only; I couldn't find any sign of Adsense ads (except for an occasional Google Checkout banner) there anymore..

The above may suggest it's not that easy to make quick money.

[edited by: menial at 3:42 am (utc) on Dec. 3, 2007]

naitsirhc26

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 3:39 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

You are 100% correct menial. I would have to say though too that it will depend also on how much traffic will be coming to your website for your unique information. Neopets filled a needed niche that had hundreds of thousands of participants, and that is why it has become so profitable.

So yes, the natural traffic in your niche will be part of how much you make as well. One thing that I have found works well is to be the very best website for a certain niche, and then slowly expand onto related topics within that niche. It's usually better to start off small, and THEN expand into other areas.

What I was really trying to get across is that no matter what; it will take some hard work. But as menial says, if you do get into a good position and fill a big niche; then more power to you. That's awesome! :-)

Naturally, someone who has the top website in the real estate field would have a higher amount of traffic then lets say for example; a website that is dedicated to a certain species of mushroom.

Like my website, it is one of the top websites in its field, but the field's audience is MUCH smaller then other activities. So for me, it will take a lot more work to generate larger sums of income. But like I was saying, I have slowly expanded into other topics related to this field, and it helps to increase my traffic, etc...

Just my thoughts; but hope they help.

menial

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 4:35 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have worked REALLY hard on Adsense for almost a year now, and I can proudly say I pay for my website's hosting through Adsense. (that just shows you how hard some really have to work to make anything with adsense). But I am NOT complaining; it's enjoyable to work on Adsense, and it DOES grow for me with each and every month. So I just keep looking at the big picture and think of where I will be in maybe 5-10 years. Wow!

All I can say is, Wow -- I admire your optimism and sense of self-realization :). You must be still a young fellow (right?). You say you work REALLY hard for free. I would love to hire such dedicated people like yourself - I could pay you $5 a day for working really hard - and you'd still earn probably 30-50 times more than you currently do with Adsense. In 5-10 years you will probably be exactly where you are now - there will be more new Adsense users (China + other developing countries) and less content advertisers willing to pay for Adsense clicks.

naitsirhc26

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 4:42 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well that's why I am lucky Adsense isn't my only source of revenue! :-) I also am an online retailer, and use other forms of advertising other then Adsense.

And yes, I am still a youngster. :-)

But hey, I am not complaining about having Adsense pay for my hosting! If Adsense WAS the only way I was making from my site, maybe I WOULDN'T work so hard on my site. LOL

And not only is the site my job, but I live and breath the topic, and it's fun for me to help the topic grow to the best of my abilities through the net!

menial

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 5:08 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

And not only is the site my job, but I live and breath the topic, and it's fun for me to help the topic grow to the best of my abilities through the net!

That's great you are so interested in the topic... that should get you wherever you want.

From my point of view, however, I would take up a very different approach - I would remove ALL advertising from the website for at least a year or two (or more); I assume you don't make all your money online. ONLY THEN your site will have a chance to become a true leader in your niche; only then you will have a chance to get many quality in-bound links from respected sources and "make it to the top" in search engines.

By placing Adsense or other affiliate links or banners (that make you very little money anyway) you cripple your website in the long term... and in 5-10 years you will find yourself competing for pennies with hundreds of MFA-type of sites, instead of a few authoritative websites. You may ask Brett T. (the owner of WW) how much he may be being offered a MONTH for ONE link on this site; then you'll realize you wouldn't TOTAL that kind of money with your current approach even in the next 10 years.

This is the best piece of advice I could give you; report your approach and success rate here in 5-10 years and prove me wrong ;).

naitsirhc26

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3517949 posted 5:41 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

No, I get you, and REALLY appreciate your thoughts and advice. I will take it to heart.

You know, I didn't have any ads on my site for about 10 months to a year, and THEN put ads on my site, but now after your comments I may rethink things through and "cut down" on the amount of ads I have on my site.

And maybe I should be more protective of how many outbound links are coming from my site as well! :-)

It's definitely nice to hear from others like yourself, as it keeps my mind open to new ideas and ways to run my site! I always appreciate the advice, and am open to new ideas.

But I do think that not having ads on my site HAS helped in the long run. In the beginning I had no ads on my site, and within a year's time I became the second largest website in my niche. And during that time a couple other competitors popped up with Adsense instantly on their site; they haven't gotten anywhere in that amount of time. It's definitely interesting to see the response from visitors; depending on the flow and layout of a site!

Thanks again,

naitsirch26

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