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How Often to click on ads to get banned
eugene2006




msg:3454603
 6:25 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

How Often to click on ads to get banned
Tell me how often malicious one person could click on my ads to get me banned, is it 1 time per minute or what? How does adsense figure out when it's acceptable rate of clicking or not
Any clues?

 

dibbern2




msg:3454606
 6:44 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is no acceptable rate. Keep it to zero, and stay in the system.

jeffgroovy




msg:3454618
 7:02 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Clicking on some one else's ads isn't going to get them banned, even if you click their ads a 100 times a minute. Google just won't charge the advertiser or pay that publisher for your clicks. However, clicking on your own ads will get you banned very quickly.

Google will understand if they find an accidental click from you on your own ads from time to time, but don't for a second thing you'll be getting paid for it, and if it gets to be something that happens too frequently you are likely to lose your account.

Matt Probert




msg:3454623
 7:09 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wonder how Google determines the identity of the person clicking on the adverts? What is to stop a publisher using a PC in a hotel lobby to log in and click on their own adverts?

Or perhaps with dynamic IP allocation, how should Google know that a genuine potential who happens to have been allocated an IP address previously allocated to a publisher (they may both be customers of the same ISP) is not the publisher?

Matt

zett




msg:3454649
 8:15 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wonder how Google determines the identity of the person clicking on the adverts? What is to stop a publisher using a PC in a hotel lobby to log in and click on their own adverts?

They can not determine that.

However, this is not the issue here. The problem for the malicious publisher is scalability. One click per hotel lobby is not a very efficient business model. They need hundreds, if not thousands of clicks A DAY to really make a living.

Also, with the second click from the same computer and the same location you already have "a click history". Each click adds to this history, and finally a pattern emerges that can be dealt with.

Just my two cents.

eugene2006




msg:3454660
 8:35 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

i want to make a php sql script that shows adsense ads
and if the same IP is accessing my web site again in a short period of time my script wont show Google Adsense Ads for him
but now there is a question how often is allowed to show ads and click on them for one and the same IP?
what is that period of time?

Lipik




msg:3454671
 9:05 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I won't use such a php script. Leave this to Google, it's their job afterall.
But you could use this to show visitors other than Adsense ads after some pages, to prevent Adsense blindness... that's another story.

eugene2006




msg:3454707
 10:05 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

lipik i disagree with you
it is up to me to control my own destiny thats why it would be nice how often i could show up my adsense ads to one IP adres.... folks any ideas? what is that legal time?

johnblack




msg:3454744
 11:01 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Eugene,

We could all take a stab at a figure of how many clicks can come from a single IP address in a certain timeframe before the alarms go off at the Plex but only Google really knows what that figure is.

If I were you I wouldn't worry about it too much and spend that php programming time creating content, optimising the site or doing something else a wee bit more tangible.

Sorry to not really answer the question, but I think you could be really wasting your time developing 'a click-attack proof' script.

JB

meditation




msg:3454755
 11:19 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

To be on the safe side, is it a good idea to send an email to google adsense support explaining that you accidentally clicked on your ads?

nomis5




msg:3454756
 11:24 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Meditation,

Don't send the email. I sent a couple of emails to google about accidental clicks and they replied asking me not to inform them. Their systems were constantly monitoring clicks and would deal with any illegal clicks.

meditation




msg:3454758
 11:27 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Nomis5,

I did not know that. Thanks for saving me the trouble of sending emails.

eugene2006




msg:3454779
 12:00 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

this is not what i want
if somebody clicks on my ads then adsense bans me and no proof will help, i dont to go to adsense group and beg them for mercy i want control my ads my own, thats why i need to know aprox. frequency of clicks when alarm sets off
actually it is very easy to create a php script, less than an hour for me

jatar_k




msg:3454784
 12:15 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

the trouble is that nobody knows the answer to your question, except Google

eugene2006




msg:3454800
 12:39 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

welll... that's bad, this way competitors could ban you very easily

jatar_k




msg:3454802
 12:43 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't think it is as simple as clicks/time, there would have to be a behavioural aspect to it.

skweb




msg:3454814
 12:57 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you are a publisher you will be wasting your time creating all these fancy scripts - I agree with others who say it is Google's responsibility to stop click fraud. In my opinion, people who get banned are often involved in clicking their own ads. We have been publishers for over 3 years, focus on creating great content and life is beautiful - Google does the rest for us.

eugene2006




msg:3454839
 1:16 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

then why so many people get banned every single day?
they are not stupid to click on their own ads
google adsense has a very simple solution to take care of fraud click problem - they simple ban you as a source of a trouble

jeffgroovy




msg:3454855
 1:22 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

People get banned every day for adsense schemes of all flavors, and the cases of legitimate publishers that get banned, they can appeal. Google says the vast majority of publishers that get banned never attempt to appeal...now why would that be the case if the banned publishers knew they were innocent?

I do have to admit however that there must be cases where legit adsense accounts are cut and the owner appeals and is turned down...the last post in the following thread by netchicken1 says something about that. Google says click fraud is overestimated [webmasterworld.com]

netmeg




msg:3454923
 2:11 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you're that worried about it, then just pick some arbitrary number like five or ten minutes, write your script and be done with it. You're certainly not going to get any kind of an exact number here, and I'd fall over dead with shock if Google gave it to you either.

martinibuster




msg:3454960
 2:52 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

then why so many people get banned every single day?

Your faith in the honesty and intelligence of the unwashed masses is heartwarming but misplaced.

they are not stupid to click on their own ads

There are many more schemes than that. Haven't you ever heard of stupid ideas that seemed like good ideas at the time? Like the folks who think it's smart to replace the home pages at several internet cafe's with their own AdSense laden web page? Or the clubs where everyone visits each other's website and clicks their ad?

Your impression of what people get banned for, and Google's methodologies for finding them out, need expansion. You're touchingly attempting to fix a non-existent problem with tape, one that has already been addressed by Google with Phd level engineering, software, and algorithms.

tim222




msg:3455001
 3:24 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

i want to make a php sql script that shows adsense ads and if the same IP is accessing my web site again in a short period of time my script wont show Google Adsense Ads for him

There are programs available that do exactly what you want to do. AsRep is one of them.

cocacolafun




msg:3455048
 4:20 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know I am probably not answering the initial question ... but I can see a use for writing a script to show google ads until it's not worth showing it. That way, you could choose another company (adbrite) and display their ads.

But really, the simplest method is to have your php script to randomly choose the ad company ... rand(2) ... if = 0 or 1 show google ads, if = 2 show adbrite ads.

And if you are tracking clicks ... well, as soon as someone click on google ads, start showing adbrite ads.

But like most people said, google analysis goes way beyong clicks/ips/timeframe. They look at patterns, schemes.

QUESTIONS:
What are you trying to do? Why do you want to do that? Is it because you are afraid to be banned? Why are you afraid to be banned? Do you get repeat visits? Did you notice something out of ordinary on your AdSense account?

Telling us more might get you a better answer.

CCF

europeforvisitors




msg:3455049
 4:21 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

if somebody clicks on my ads then adsense bans me and no proof will help, i dont to go to adsense group and beg them for mercy i want control my ads my own

If you want control, an ad network isn't the best solution. You'll be happier (though probably poorer) if you sell ads direct.

joelgreen




msg:3455055
 4:26 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wonder how Google determines the identity of the person clicking on the adverts? What is to stop a publisher using a PC in a hotel lobby to log in and click on their own adverts?

Lets say you clicked on your own ads using a PC in a hotel lobby, and decided to check your gmail or login to orkut, or any other Google-provided service. That will be one possible scenario of knowing you clicked your own ads. Speculation.

Clicking on some one else's ads isn't going to get them banned, even if you click their ads a 100 times a minute.

Actually it will work (or at least it was so). I know it for sure. But Google may reinstate your account if it was not you clicking on your ads.

eugene2006




msg:3455342
 8:40 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

so, anyway, topic is still opened and not closed :)

jeffgroovy




msg:3455368
 9:37 pm on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

You have to understand that some of us have been in the adsense program for many years (since inception) and have probably had our adsense ads clicked many times by the same competitors in an attempt to undermine our adsense accounts...however our adsense accounts are still alive and healthy. The only fraud prevention technique that I have practiced myself is not telling friends and family what my actual TLD's are so that they can't get tempted to "help" me out by clicking on my ads.

thegreatpretender




msg:3455687
 5:32 am on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Eugene

It's 1 / minute or maybe 5 or 10.

joelgreen




msg:3455762
 8:33 am on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

is it 1 time per minute or what?

One user may click 5 ads in 1 minute, and all those clicks may be treated as good. Example: you land on page which have a big block adsense unit (4-5 ads in one unit). If ads are on topic, visitor could easily click all the ads to look what is behind them. Same for link unit. After link unit is clicked user is presented with a list of ads. Why do not click 4 or 5 ads if they are on topic?

I believe number of clicked ads is only one (and maybe not the most important) of the NNN factors which identify invalid click.

BTW, clicks can also be treated as invalid if you place ads very close to right-hand scroll bar, close to menu (i.e. when user clicks them by mistake, trying to perform another action), or if your traffic is suspicious. And if you get too many invalid clicks you'll either receive a warning email from Google, or site (or maybe account) will get banned.

voices




msg:3455800
 10:42 am on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I suppose I could email all my friends and tell them to click some of my ads every day and I could go use the computer at the library and click my ads. Problem is I am not a theif. Why would I want to steal from advertisers that pay me? If the advertiser is not getting a good ROI they will pull their ads, or at the very least block them from appearing on my site. Click spam hurts everyone.

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