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Rise of parked .info domains with Adsense
SEOPTI




msg:3423764
 2:28 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Are parked domains really allowed to advertise with Adwords? When using the Adsense preview tool I see a flood of fresh parked .info domains, you know this directory style crap.

When will Google finally extend the 200 domains filter. I can't fight this .info crap any more with this limitation.

At least those dumb MFAs owners identify themselves with .info so it's not time consuming to find them.

[edited by: SEOPTI at 2:38 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2007]

 

Genuine1




msg:3423782
 2:43 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Actually they dont. There are more com, biz, net, by miles than infos in my 200 and about half of each are parked domains.

SEOPTI




msg:3423812
 2:56 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I would call those parked domains directory style search results. They provide no value for the user, but Google allows them. What's the deal?

Google tells webmasters to create sites with value, they apply the well known -30 penalty if the site has less value, but at the same time they allow these low level domains with apparently na value to place adwords ads.

[edited by: SEOPTI at 3:10 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2007]

zett




msg:3423823
 3:08 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

SEOPTI:

You are absolutely right.

I have decided to finally follow the Adsense optimization tip and cleared my filter completely. At first it hurt, almost physically, to see these parked sites coming up again, but then I figured - "hey, the users actually KNOW that Google is responsible for this mess". I am not blending, quite the contrary.

The other day I checked on a popular page with the Preview Tool, and it showed 50% parked pages (6 of 12), with the top three slots occupied by parked pages...!

As I said elsewhere, I do not believe that Google will act upon this. They depend on fake advertisers to keep the advertising bubble inflated. They know but do not care. It's that simple.

tim222




msg:3423840
 3:15 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

When will Google finally extend the 200 domains filter.

Really it's a "competitive ad" filter, not a "low-paying ad" filter. If Google allowed you to filter out all but the highest-paying ads, how would that serve their advertisers? It would raise prices and drive advertisers away from Google.

Is it really a matter of principle, or is it that the junk sites only pay a few cents per click? Put another way, if those directories were paying 50 cents or a dollar a click, and you knew that, would you still filter them? My guess is that most people would let them display. I would.

[edited by: tim222 at 3:16 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2007]

SEOPTI




msg:3423842
 3:16 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

zett, that's true, those fake advertisers even set up different parked domains for adwords and redirect them to their main domain. Google gives them even more privileges. Seems to me that Google loves parked domains with MFA content.

zett




msg:3423864
 3:22 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Really it's a "competitive ad" filter, not a "low-paying ad" filter.

I am way beyond trying to figure out how ads pay (and I feel that several other WW members are thinking alike). My ONLY concern these days is usability and quality. I want to present USEFUL ads to my visitors, regardless of how they pay.

And, frankly, I do not see how users benefit from parked domains "directory style". I'd appreciate some comments from Google officials, but I fully understand that this topic IS a hot potatoe that can not be explained easily. So I do not hold my breath waiting for any reaction.

europeforvisitors




msg:3423883
 3:27 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

If many or most of your AdSense ads are for parked domains and other questionable sites, maybe you should be looking at other sources of revenue.

If there are no alternative sources of revenue for your site(s), that may explain the problem that you face: Some topics or types of content simply don't attract decent-quality ads that pay adequately. The problem is likely to become worse, not better, as Google continues to give advertisers more ways to slice and dice their CPC campaigns.

Side note: I understand your pain; I pulled AdSense from a freelance-writing site because of too many unacceptable ads. (The ads weren't MFA ads; they were worse: they were ads for scams and exploitative businesses that targeted aspiring writers.)

zett




msg:3423899
 3:38 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

EFV,

If many or most of your AdSense ads are for parked domains and other questionable sites, maybe you should be looking at other sources of revenue. If there are no alternative sources of revenue for your site(s), that may explain the problem that you face: Some topics or types of content simply don't attract decent-quality ads that pay adequately.

Please.

I am perfectly happy with the Adsense program (OK, there is always room for improvement). This is a QUALITY discussion, and I know from the results of the filtering experience that there ARE enough genuine advertisers for that particular site/page/niche. The example I quoted was from a very competitive and demanded topic. Yet, Google displays 6 of 12 ads from the "parked" guys. It seems to me that the genuine useful ads are pushed away by those parked pages.

It's really about quality, NOT about payment. Parked domains represent not quality. To me, that is.

Green_Grass




msg:3423904
 3:43 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hey Zett

I have stopped swatting these pests a while back.

But I have increased my ad blocks. I have two per page now. What this does is ..it allows MFA/Parked pages ads to be displayed alongside genuine advertisers. So the surfers have a choice. And I feel surfers are smart, given that my revenues are going up....

buckworks




msg:3423906
 3:44 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

6 of 12 ads from the "parked" guys

Having fewer ads on the page sometimes improves the quality of what shows up.

Green_Grass




msg:3423908
 3:52 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

buckworks

My experience is opposite to what you suggest.

Less ad blocks = more MFA's who somehow seem to get all the top spots ( better CTR maybe?)

More ad blocks allow genuine advertisers also to show up...

This is my experience..may not work for you.. :-)

buckworks




msg:3423921
 4:04 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

In my sectors I rarely notice problems if I stick to one ad block, but if I try to add more I'm not comfortable with the quality of what starts showing up.

There's no substitute for testing to see what happens with different configurations.

europeforvisitors




msg:3423996
 5:19 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's really about quality, NOT about payment. Parked domains represent not quality. To me, that is.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and Google obviously has a different standard than you do. That's unlikely to change. If you want to control the ads that appear on your site, AdSense isn't the best solution. (That's why I pulled it almost immediately from my writers's site, where nearly all of the ads were for vanity presses, phony poetry contests, and other dreck.)

Atomic




msg:3424088
 7:02 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and Google obviously has a different standard than you do. That's unlikely to change. If you want to control the ads that appear on your site, AdSense isn't the best solution. (That's why I pulled it almost immediately from my writers's site, where nearly all of the ads were for vanity presses, phony poetry contests, and other dreck.)

Google's standard isn't so much about quality as corporate earnings in my opinion. I've also pulled ads from pages riddled with scams that shouldn't be allowed by Google in the first place!

Don't forget to watch to see if your ads are appearing on these parked domains. I saw my Adwords budget skyrocket and an investigation found that it was because my ads were appearing on parked domains. My solution was to stop my ads from appearing in the search network which stopped the bleeding from my bank account.

Khensu




msg:3424102
 7:26 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I was running 2 adblocks per page

ppc - ppc

or

ppc - ppa

or

ppa - ppa

Using ppa on the lesser quality pages totally and half and half on the marginal ones. I am going back to it when the straghten it out. boosted my profit and cut my filtering in half, you just have to find the right ads.

europeforvisitors




msg:3424109
 7:28 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google's standard isn't so much about quality as corporate earnings in my opinion.

Isn't the "Google is a corporation that wants to make money" argument a little naive and obvious? Of course Google has to earn money. So does every other company, public or private. So do you, I suspect. But in the context of this thread, what really matters is your apparent desire to control the ads that appear on your site. That isn't going to happen, so your choices are to:

(1) Accept the status quo;

(2) Just say no;

(3) Play whack-a-mole with 200 advertisers at a time.

To each his own, but for me, (1) works for my main site; (2) was the better choice for another site; and (3) isn't a productive, pleasant, or [in the case of my main site] necessary use of my time.

I've also pulled ads from pages riddled with scams that shouldn't be allowed by Google in the first place!

As a waiter might say, "excellent choice."

Don't forget to watch to see if your ads are appearing on these parked domains. I saw my Adwords budget skyrocket and an investigation found that it was because my ads were appearing on parked domains. My solution was to stop my ads from appearing in the search network which stopped the bleeding from my bank account.

Sounds like a nice suggestion for the AdWords forum.

SEOPTI




msg:3424111
 7:30 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Atomic, good point. I also tend to believe that most of the parked domains are some sort of arbitrage sites (99% arbitrage and 1% type in traffic) which provide poor ROI for the advertisers.

People should check their adwords accounts and stop parked domains where possible.

netmeg




msg:3424130
 7:52 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't have believed it, but since they've come out with the placement reports, I've learned that *some* parked domains actually convert for my clients. Particularly my B2B. Who'd a thunk?

buckworks




msg:3424134
 8:03 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Webwork will smile when he reads that! :)

The sort of parked domain that gets targeted type-ins can indeed attract the right kind of traffic.

gibbergibber




msg:3424546
 11:02 am on Aug 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

On a related topic, I've seen a LOT of spam from .info addresses, it seems to be the TLD of choice for the murkier side of the internet at the moment. Anyone have any idea why?

zett




msg:3424552
 11:11 am on Aug 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Anyone have any idea why?

They're cheap, and there are lots of domain names still available that are taken on .com

netmeg




msg:3424755
 2:49 pm on Aug 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

You can get .info domains for 99 cents - sometimes less or free with other purchases. We run some 750+ client email accounts through our servers and spam filters, and I've sometimes had to almost physically restrain my partner from blocking ALL email from .info and .biz (plus a few other) domains just on principle.

europeforvisitors




msg:3424770
 2:59 pm on Aug 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

This has been discussed elsewhere on Webmaster World, but most spam originates from ".com" addresses. If you really want to be effective in your spam blocking, block any e-mail address that ends in ".com."

SEOPTI




msg:3433432
 5:06 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Today again, parked .info domains. Google I am sick and tired blocking this .info scam all the time, please please give us an option to block .info domains!

tim222




msg:3433538
 7:11 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

I registered the .info of my important domains simply to prevent spammers from doing the same. The problem is, renewals are not 99 cents. They cost as much as a .com. Oh well, chalk it up to the cost of doing business.

WiseWebDude




msg:3433552
 7:19 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Today again, parked .info domains. Google I am sick and tired blocking this .info scam all the time, please please give us an option to block .info domains!

I agree. I wish there was a way to block ANY parked site that was not hosted. At least this way it would force the moron spammers to buy hosting for their crap and then many would drop those parked pages. Oh, I can only hope. Problem is, how to tell for SURE it is only parked and not hosted. I really think it makes Google look bad when they allow their ads on parked domains. I have, personally, talked with Google on the phone about this and they swear that it is good for the advertisers...I, respectfully, disagree.

tim222




msg:3433569
 7:35 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wish there was a way to block ANY parked site that was not hosted.

Even then, they can get a hosting plan that lets them host an unlimited number of domains for less than $10/month.

Skeptic




msg:3433649
 8:50 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

It would be simple, if Google would just allow us to block any site that is in their "Google AdSense for domains" program.

[google.com...]

Yes, there is a separate program for Parked Domains. You need some high-traffic to get into it.

You really think Google would let us poor schmucks block their Parked Domains clients?

SEOPTI




msg:3433726
 10:21 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Question is, why are parked domains purchasing Adwords ads? The only reason I can think of is arbitrage.

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