| 4:11 am on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
ypn was paying about 3x what G was paying for the 1st six months and then started to get worse and worse. They never got their targeting working.
They also implemented their version of smart pricing. Combine that with bad targeting and you get a system that sucks.
I stopped using it totally about a 3-4 weeks ago.
I'll give it another try in september to see if targeting improves.
Monitor the ypn section of WW for news:
| 5:01 am on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Thanks sailorjwd. I have a question for you. For every $1 that AdSense is paying, from your experience, what would you earn from YPN now or when you stopped using it?
| 11:58 am on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
A lot of days I'd earn zero and then some days earn $4. In the end it wasn't worth it and I didn't like annoying my visitors with totally off the wall ad topics.
| 12:14 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Both ain't that great anymore. You can do better sometimes with the regular networks.
| 2:17 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|You can do better sometimes with the regular networks. |
Could you elaborate?
| 2:20 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Both ain't that great anymore. You can do better sometimes with the regular networks. |
Or with direct ad sales, or with affiliate programs. But it isn't a matter of "either/or"--there's nothing to keep you from running AdSense text ads and display ads from another source.
| 2:36 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I never could get YPN to even return my emails. I applied when they started up, but they refused my site on the basis of its domain name, without even looking at what it was really about (Google has no problems with it) I'd be willing to give it a try, but can't get in touch with an actual human type being.
| 4:21 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|I'd be willing to give it a try, but can't get in touch with an actual human type being. |
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I've given YPN a number of opportunities to prove themselves and they seem to fail miserably on targeting.
You'd think a company with the resources of Yahoo could find someone who works for Google and knows how to get targeting to work and pay that person whatever it takes to get things moving in the right direction.
| 5:07 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
You'd think a lot of things when it comes to Yahoo. I've been wrestling issues with them on the advertiser side since the beginnings of the Overture days. Every now and then some poor YSM employee calls me up to ask why I'm not advertising as much for my clients as I used to, and then is much dismayed when I spend ten or fifteen minutes telling them exactly why not. They're still floundering in this whole advertising thing - on both sides.
| 5:13 pm on Aug 7, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I used to think YPN was a solid option in the early days but they don't pay as well as they used to and are too eratic with their targeting.
Get it together Yahoo - I'm wishing I could support you rather than Google but you won't give me a decent product.
| 11:08 pm on Aug 8, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I'll second the fact that YPN's targeting is one of the biggest factors behind me not using them...not even a little bit. Well that plus the fact they only want USA visitors (a complete joke).
We all want use you YPN, but we just can't in face of your inability to allow global traffic, and even more important, your inability to effectively target.
Look Yahoo, this might be oversimplifying it a little bit, but couldn't you modify your search ranking algorithm, the one that decides which pages get ranked for what search terms on your natural results to determine keyword concentration and therefore subject matter and then matching it with a list of advertisers that are bidding on those keywords and are bidding in your Content Match (content network)? Ta-da, better targeted ads for YPN.
I write that as if I'm talking directly to a Yahoo rep, maybe there's one reading who would like to get credit for such an amazing idea. Maybe there's Google patents that are blocking other companies from getting their content targeting on par with adsense? There are other 3rd tier content targeting networks that do a much better job then YPN in targeting, but absolutely suck eggs on payout...mostly due to their use of 2nd and 3rd tier ppc's for their advertiser base. So I'm saying it's a flat out YPN can't get it together for one reason or another.
Once again oversimplifying but maybe it's as simple as YPN is comfortable with their content network earnings and don't want to mess with a system they see as functional. After all Yahoo is a very large and old Internet company, and therefore is much more set in their ways, and has a slower more lumbering Microsoft type mentality than google.
| 11:11 pm on Aug 8, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|I write that as if I'm talking directly to a Yahoo rep |
Yeah, that's what it sounds like, and good luck with that. They never listened to me and they even gave me a phone number I could call when I "wanted to get with someone who could make a difference."
| 12:25 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
(course... you ARE in the Google AdSense forum...)
| 12:57 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|They never listened to me and they even gave me a phone number I could call when I "wanted to get with someone who could make a difference." |
Sounds like the come-down-the-aisle call to action at a tent meeting!
| 1:00 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Yeah and I bought it too...
| 4:12 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
We'll have been in and out of Iraq in less time than YPN has been in beta. Maybe if Bush was running Yahoo, they would have marginally better performance in fielding a credible advertising platform.
| 4:32 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Maybe if Bush was running Yahoo, they would have marginally better performance in fielding a credible advertising platform. |
Yeah, yeah, yeah... and maybe if Bush wasn't running things your little tent would have just gone up in flames...
| 4:34 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Or.. speaking of that flaming tent.... it may happen yet... I'd LOVE to burn a few down. All I need to know is where they're at...
Wouldn't that be fun?
| 5:25 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I think you missed the point wyweb. That was my attempt at humor. Maybe a little to dry or something. I won't bother trying again.
| 5:29 am on Aug 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Oh.. well.. sorry..
I'd still like to go on a tent burning spree.
| 4:20 am on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Site targeting problems like everybody else.
I can have a site about shoes that appeal to people with red hair and who live in Idaho, and if I search Yahoo.com for similar sites to mine, there are tons of advertisers saying "We have shoes for redheads who live in Idaho" that show up in the sponsors sidebar of the search results.. Meanwhile, YPN serves up mortgage or VOIP or other such ads on my site.
If I swap AdSense for YPN, within half an hour I have ads for shoes for redheads who live in Idaho.
I've heard theories that YPN doesn't have the advertising pool that Google has, and I don't believe that. If I go search on Yahoo.com for my specific niche, the advertisers are there under the sponsor results. In fact, they are some of the same advertisers that end up in AdSense ads on my site.
Either YPN has developers who don't know what they are doing, or Yahoo.com keeps certain advertisers for Yahoo.com results. I have a hard time believing it's the developers, because Yahoo knows my site inside and out - similar to google, I can look up key words on Yahoo and my site ranks high, with proper sponsor results in the sidebar.
It very well could be that the left hand is not talking to the right hand, but that makes little sense, especially since YPN has now been around for a while, and YPN knows there is a problem - I've spoken to some YPN folks, they have looked at my sites and acknowledge there are problems.
| 5:25 am on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|I've heard theories that YPN doesn't have the advertising pool that Google has, and I don't believe that. |
They don't. Believe what you want.
Web search and sponsored search via content network are two different things jonny. You might want to look them up.
|I've spoken to some YPN folks |
So have I. Repeatedly. There is nobody in this forum, probably nobody on the web period, who wanted this adsense alternative to work more than I did. Nobody. So what?
|Either YPN has developers who don't know what they are doing, or Yahoo.com keeps certain advertisers for Yahoo.com results |
Of course they do. You're not real clear on how this works are you?
| 10:12 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
YPN pays well when someone clicks. Problem is, the targeting is so bad, that's rare in most cases. For instance, I ran a tech site. The ads? Mortgages, Vonage, and Finance.