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Do you think people really make that kind of money?
bostons4u

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:00 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Do you think that people really make that kind of money with Google ad sense. You know the ones, 6 figure incomes. I have done everything I know to build my ad sense income and have never been able to get higher then $300.00 a month. Right now I can barely get $50.00 a month. Seems summertime is slower. Every time I look for articles to learn how to increase my ad sense income all I get is stuff I already know. I want some advanced advanced advanced? Anyone ever found a book that goes beyond, posting to message boards, comments, article writing, social bookmarking, link exchange, good content, good meta tags, one way linking ect?

 

Genuine1

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:11 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Adsense isnt a get rich quick scheme.

All the things you mention are a waste of time.

All you need is a site that has real value. Ones that people go "wow" and link to and bookmark.

No amount of messing with technicalities will work. Sticking ads on thousands of pages of "articles" will not help much. If there are already sites with similar info then unless yours is totally head and shoulders above the best of the rest then you can forget it.

I dont earn the huge figures you mention but I do earn much more than your monthly figures daily since 2003 without ever updating or adding to a page.

You need that something special in the same way that a best selling writer in the real world has over all the dusty unsold books in the back of the store.

PS If the site(s) are the interlinked blogged ones with no "real" content other than copied and pasted wiki stuff chasing the likes of Mesothelioma (and every other supposed high paying keyword) ones in your profile I am very surprised you make as much as you do! Nothing original there!

[edited by: Genuine1 at 4:27 am (utc) on Aug. 5, 2007]

jbayabas

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:31 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

yes, some people earn that much money.

My site launched in 2000. I only discovered Adsense in 2006. My first day with AS was $250. I was incredibly stupid for not discovering AS sooner. I was using Fastclick before AS and I was only earning $50 per day with fasclick.

My secret? My site's been popular to a lot of readers. They bookmark it and talk about it with their friends and many sites link to mine.

I suggest, you create a "unique" site and talk about something you enjoy. It will take a few years before your site get popular but through hard work, it will pay off.

Right now, I am happy to say that I have quit my day job and focus on what i do best in the web and AS is paying me for it.

With AS, I am able to buy a house, a car, and a great job I could never asked for. I wake up happy and excited to update my site everyday. And I don't even think how much I earn with AS. I just love what I do. Of course, getting paid for it is not bad. Not bad at all.

Don't lose hope. Remember, do something you enjoy on the web. It may be photography, blogging, funny stories, cars... choose what you love best.

Good luck!

ken_b

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:44 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

When I see reports of those large incomes I often wonder how much they paid for the traffic, for example like using adwords, etc.

$10,000.00 a month in income isn't as impressive if they spent $9,000.00 to get it.

But making a living with AdSense is certainly possible.

[edited by: ken_b at 4:57 am (utc) on Aug. 5, 2007]

jbayabas

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:53 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't think a lot of earners spend that much in advertising esp if they're site is really good.

Same thing when you a watch a movie. When a friend of mine saw a particular movie he likes, he recommends it to me. And i, in return, will go see the movie. Then talk to my friends about it. My friends will see it too.. so it goes..

When your site is that good, your visitors will talk about it in other forums, chatrooms, or their friends at school.

I always check my site on Alexa to know what's my site ranking. That's when you'll know if you're doing something right. When your site is ranked 12,000th in Alexa, you should earn about 300-400 per month, im pretty sure.

vik_c

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:58 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

When your site is ranked 12,000th in Alexa, you should earn about 300-400 per month, im pretty sure.

A rank of 12,000 in Alexa is quite good. I think you would earn far more that 300-400 a month unless of course, you were in a niche that was virtually impossible to monetize.

Genuine1

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 5:04 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I never bought any traffic. I dont even pay for hosting or domain names. I posted some interesting stuff 10 years ago and never changed it on my isp's freespace subdomain. Its good enough for 6 figures... Content is all.

jbayabas

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 5:36 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

300-400 per day i mean.

koan

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 5:53 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I posted some interesting stuff 10 years ago

That's one huge advantage you have right there that is difficult to replicate, so your examples might not apply fully in today's world where getting noticed and getting enough one way links to get good traffic is much, much more difficult.

I mean, your sites are probably in yahoo's free directory or dmoz, which I never managed to do with quality sites in the past year. I love your posts, genuine1, but sometimes I think you live in a bubble due to your particular experience. Popping a few good sites that became the talk of the week was very feasible 10 years ago when 99% of today's topics weren't yet covered and the web had a different culture, which was more academic, utopian and free giving. I know I did a site but lost interest and trashed it eventually. It easily got links from university pages, most directories and other webmasters fully impressed because I chose nice colors. No effort on my part. Yeah, I really, really regret not keeping it.

Anyway, "make a few good sites 10 years ago" isn't always the best advice to new comers. Sometimes you do have to go out there and fight tooth and nails for some traffic. Then you have the predators like MFA sites, plagiarists, scrapers, script kiddies, entitled users, spammers, etc.

I think to make any decent amount of money with Adsense (or worse, affiliates), you have to dedicate the same time and energy as if you had a second partial time job. Learn as much as if you were taking a few courses in college. And do it for a year or two on meager web revenues.

You're right, it takes some talent to either program something useful and original, or write some great content. But also a lot more.

King_Fisher

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 6:36 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is no definitive answer to your question.

People earn anywhere from a hundred a month to ten thousand a month and more!

There is no set formula even though there are some effective methods.

When I explore how the big earners do it I find several truths to always
be present.

First they are normally sharp efficient webmasterThey know content, how to code
how to do efficient keywords, seo optimization. graphics etc. What they don't know they are smart enough to farm out to people who do it well.

The most prevailing point is that they normally have 40, 50 up to 100 sites.
They spread out their business so if some sites or down others pick up the slack.

This has become a necessary tactic because almost all site subject matter has
become saturated in the last 2 or 3 years and having the dominate web site
has become a very difficult thing to achieve.

So, yes you can still make large money, but its not going to be easy! KF

sonny

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 7:03 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is from the "office of redundancy redundancy" but it might give you some ideas:

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incrediBILL

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 8:43 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

ever been able to get higher then $300.00 a month

It's possible to crack this per DAY without spending a penny other than your time and hosting. When I first tried AdSense I was already making money on my site but had serious organic traffic and the site pulled $100/day without really trying. Now passing $300/day in AdSense isn't a big deal at all.

If you have compelling content that people need in their daily lives the only thing you need to do is work on traffic and AdSense optimization, those are the only two secrets.

Be honest with yourself, if your site just has crap designed to try to get ad clicks, it won't make those numbers.

HOWEVER, if you're really passionate about the topic, and the site is killer, and you have solid and loyal traffic, you could rock out with AdSense.

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 9:32 am on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Every time I look for articles to learn how to increase my ad sense income all I get is stuff I already know.

You're looking for the wrong thing. Learn about what your site is about instead, immerse yourself in it, become an expert and share your expertise, get people involved, coming back for more, telling their friends, linking to you.

It boils down to bums on seats - if a site is not a quality one with compelling content its market is self-limiting and so is its income.

AussieWebmaster

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 12:52 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is some great advise here... also learn what is best practices when using AdSense... placement of ads... use of code to contentrate the right ads, etc.

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 2:03 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, again, I think it would be well to emphasize that if your sites are like the one in your profile, you stand no chance at all of making $300 per day. Like a previous poster said, I'm surprised you're where you are. You need to build real sites with real content and get links, links, links (the right links) pointing to them. Takes lots of work.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 2:11 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Adsense Economics 101

more unique content = more adsense dollars

poor content + excessive marketing spend = fewer adsense dollars

Do the math.

Sites good, interesting and unique enough to encourage revisits, bookmarks and backlinks will (almost) always trump sites with average content, forgettable style, and poor content:ad ratio.

So logic suggests the best investment is in your site. period.

beren

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 2:34 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

When I see reports of those large incomes I often wonder how much they paid for the traffic, for example like using adwords, etc.

$10,000.00 a month in income isn't as impressive if they spent $9,000.00 to get it.

OK, but when people around here mention a revenue number (per month or whatever), I think it is assumed that they have subtracted out any costs for traffic. If they spend $9K and get $10K, they would say this is $1K in revenue.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 3:58 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

That's not right; their revenue was still $10k - it's their ROI / profit that is smaller.

revenue is revenue; it is not expense-dependent.

That isn't an SEO thing; it's an economics thing.

jhood

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:13 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

"$10,000.00 a month in income isn't as impressive if they spent $9,000.00 to get it."

Our revenue from our primary site is several times the figure you mention and we spend just about all of it to pay writers and editors, bandwidth charges, etc. It's called a business. It's also called building a brand, establishing a franchise, etc.

It's helpful to have a background in publishing or journalism. SEO will only take you so far.

It's also helpful to be willing to put in a lot of your own time and money during the lean first years.

tim222

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 4:51 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Our revenue from our primary site is several times the figure you mention and we spend just about all of it to pay writers and editors, bandwidth charges, etc. It's called a business. It's also called building a brand, establishing a franchise, etc.

Good point. Come to think of it, a 10% profit for any business is respectable, so $10K revenue after $9K expenditure is not bad.

bostons4u

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 5:40 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

My site in my profile is not the site where I was making $300.00 a month, however my topic got watered down, like most of you said is happening. Most of the people who say they are the big wigs tell you to focus on the top paying keywords.

To the person who said that signing message boards, ect does not work, I am living proof that it does.

All I have to do is post and opinion on a couple of message boards and my adsense jumps double for that day.

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 6:21 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

It used to be fairly easy to make (clear) 100K + per year. That all ended 13 months ago when G started cracking down on arbitrage.

Anybody got a dime I can borrow?

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 6:28 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Most of the people who say they are the big wigs tell you to focus on the top paying keywords

Most of the REAL big wigs are not going around telling anyone anything of the kind.

On the other hand there are many, many so-called experts telling/selling people the 'secrets' to getting rich quick on AdSense, and apparently there is a virtually endless market for their predictable and simplistic nonsense about focusing on high paying keywords.

Read about and understand smart pricing.

Focus on what you know, focus on where you can add value, focus on what is interesting to you and to your users.

my adsense jumps double for that day

Double of very little is still not a lot. One day is irrelevant. You're earning $50 a month, which is living proof that whatever you are doing ain't working.

What you need is content that stands on its merits and performs day in day out. So that the people who click through once from a forum post see something they like, come back, link to you, recommend your site etc.

BillyS

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 6:48 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

You don't have to believe anything, but it does happen. It's interesting because I should advertise more than I do (around $3 per month...). So my revenue is pretty much my net. I'm not going to say what my income is, but I will say I believe people when they say they earn $10,000 or $20,000 per month. In fact, I think MANY (thousands...) folks earn that much and more.

My wife thought I was crazy a couple of years ago - but she is a believer too.

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 7:23 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Our revenue from our primary site is several times the figure you mention and we spend just about all of it to pay writers and editors, bandwidth charges, etc. It's called a business.

Lot's of variations of business models on the 'net but when you boil it down there are two basic types:

1. ecommerce sites that sell things
2. publishers that direct traffic to those ecommerce sites.

Now the trick to being a successful publisher site IMO is to keep your costs as low as possible without sacrificing quality to get the best ROI. My expenses are about 20% of income, all organic traffic, additional labor outsourced only on an as-needed basis.

I've considered paying for extra traffic and hiring people permanently for various things but it's a risk of whether any of it will add to the bottom line so the bird in the hand vs. the 2 birds in the bush keeps me at status quo.

oddsod

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 8:35 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

The most prevailing point is that they normally have 40, 50 up to 100 sites.

One good site can take you past $10K a month. Heck, I've got one good page that does about $6K a month.

Earning six figures is a piece of cake. P*ss easy. Think big. Act big. Producing good content is not enough if you can't get traffic to it. And think outside that "writing articles" box.
- Create a fantastic free resource and give it away. It could be a program, some cool CSS, templates, a video ... a million other things. But they've got to be exceptional, different, newsworthy, clickworthy...
- Become an expert in some niche, give your advice away, appear on radio shows, do interviews.
- Hire people to write content for you. A little research should find you good writers at fairly affordable prices. Write unique stuff, compile volumes of really useful information, make your info so good that the relevant Wikipedia pages look like a crap, down market rip-off. Then spend money to get your site noticed enough for the links to snowball.

For anybody who lacks the inspiration there's always the easy way out: Buy sites that are making money and add them to your Adsense account. At 12-18 times monthly income it's cheap, cheap, cheap. It never ceases to amaze me what fantastic properties I can pick up for a few tens of thousands of dollars. But even $100 can get you a nice site if you are willing to spend some time looking!

alika

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 9:17 pm on Aug 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

The most prevailing point is that they normally have 40, 50 up to 100 sites.

Some publishers achieve 5-digits income because they run lots of sites, but you certainly can earn a lot from Adsense even with only 1 site.

My main site (I've only got 2) earns more than 5-digits a month, by providing useful information to its target audience on a variety of topics that are important to this target market. Those topics, fortunately, have high paying keywords and our CPM are really through the roof (even our Adsense rep is amazed at our CPM to the point where we were not included in one of their beta tests because the CPM was deemed too high).

Our advertising spend is only 2% of our income, and our traffic comes mainly from organic SEO, media mentions, blog links and word of mouth. While we make extremely good income with Adsense, it could definitely be improved if we increase our traffic even more.

But with the right type of website, proper optimization and presentation of the ads, and good amount of traffic, you can earn a lot from Adsense -- even with only 1 website. In our case, we'd rather have 1 excellent website than spread our efforts managing and maintaining 100 websites.

mimmson

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 3:52 am on Aug 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a content rich site with a very targeted audience. I have anywhere from 1200 - 2500 unique visitors each day and high rankings for many keywords related to the topic. Lots and lots and lots of inbound links, yet the site only does about $10.00 a day in adsense revenue. Am I missing something, or is that about right for the numbers?

Thanks

tim222

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 5:52 am on Aug 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Am I missing something, or is that about right for the numbers?

You can do better than that. Look at your site to make sure the ads are well-blended and located in optimal positions. Do a Google search for "adsense heat map"

oddsod

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Msg#: 3413957 posted 9:48 am on Aug 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

You can do better than that.

I love this place. Experts here can guage your likely earnings even without knowing your market, your site or even knowing where your visitors come from. Fantastic, isn't it? ;)

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