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CPA mails sent out in Germany
mail just dropped in
pontifex




msg:3393140
 10:28 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

Folks,

my german account just received the note from Google:

<snip> and so forth...

looks like they are getting finished with that!

Cool! Someone mail me some time, please :->

P!

[edited by: martinibuster at 1:50 am (utc) on July 14, 2007]
[edit reason] Removed email quote. [/edit]

 

jomaxx




msg:3394663
 5:28 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

So the upshot is supposed to be that NOTHING Google tells any of us can be discussed? Sorry, that defies all logic.

Google is changing the very way that AdSense works, and it's not yet obvious we'll be able to opt out. I'm not protesting the change, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let an overzealous interpretation of boilerplate legalese prevent me from acknowledging it exists.

europeforvisitors




msg:3394712
 6:23 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

So the upshot is supposed to be that NOTHING Google tells any of us can be discussed? Sorry, that defies all logic.

Why clutter up the discussion with a straw-man argument?

Google is changing the very way that AdSense works, and it's not yet obvious we'll be able to opt out.

Google isn't "changing the very way that AdSense works." Google is testing a product extension (a la "image ads" and site-targeted CPM ads, which were extensions of the original AdSense product but haven't replaced it).

As to whether publishers will be able to opt out, the current test is opt-out (according to Oddsod's post), and both "image ads" and site-targeted CPM ads are opt-out, so history would suggest that CPA ads will also be opt-out--assuming that CPA ads survive the current test, which may not even happen.

oddsod




msg:3394745
 7:40 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>according to Oddsod's post

Whew! For a moment there I thought you were admitting getting the email. :)

incrediBILL




msg:3394765
 8:17 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

So the upshot is supposed to be that NOTHING Google tells any of us can be discussed? Sorry, that defies all logic.

What defies logic is signing an agreement you have no intention on honoring.

If they say it's "confidential" then NO, you can't discuss it until Google says it's no longer confidential.

Breaking the confidentiality clause is right up there with clicking your own ads or placing enticements like "click the ads!" on your page as a breach is a breach is a breach.

I find it even more amusing how judgmental people willing to break the T&Cs here will be when someone posts the next "I've been banned..." thread.

SEOPTI




msg:3394769
 8:34 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Loyality is not always the best way to win a game.

[edited by: SEOPTI at 8:35 pm (utc) on July 14, 2007]

europeforvisitors




msg:3394771
 8:37 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Whew! For a moment there I thought you were admitting getting the email. :)

This thread is titled "CPA mails sent out in Germany." To paraphrase John F. Kennedy, "Ich bin kein Berliner." (Though I do like doughnuts--just not the jelly- or Kennedy-filled kind.)

incrediBILL




msg:3394777
 9:00 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Loyality is not always the best way to win a game.

Never confuse loyalty with contract law unless you want to get a rude wake-up call from a Stanford law graduate.

kidder




msg:3394807
 10:11 pm on Jul 14, 2007 (gmt 0)


well this thread has gone places....

greatstart




msg:3394914
 4:14 am on Jul 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

well this thread has gone places....

Yes, lots of email quotes are being snipped on this thread!

oddsod




msg:3394994
 9:01 am on Jul 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Shhh. Just don't mention the war [google.com]

incrediBILL




msg:3395232
 6:01 pm on Jul 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Shhh. Just don't mention the war

So if others break their contract that makes it OK that you do as well?

While you're at it try shoplifting too, all the cool kids do it...

oddsod




msg:3395654
 9:23 am on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yawn! You still haven't read the bit that says confidentiality doesn't apply to information that's already publicly known. That Google has sent this email is publicly known. It may be worth reading the TOS before preaching it.

I see, also, that you aren't a Fawlty Towers fan :)

pontifex




msg:3395778
 1:40 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

wow, what i have i done... have not looked into this thread until i got mails asking, what this is all about.

first of all... i just mentioned, that the "CPA Program" is finally available in Germany, too, for selected partners and that G is getting things finished.

Anything else I accept as confidential, but the fact that this service is in the make was already publicly known and posted over

[webmasterworld.com...]

1 year ago...

even the quote (martinibuster deleted) was so minimal and said nothing more, that we can test the CPA stuff. Important about that is: we are not US based.... end of information :)

Regards,
P!

incrediBILL




msg:3395988
 4:41 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

You still haven't read the bit that says confidentiality doesn't apply to information that's already publicly known. That Google has sent this email is publicly known. It may be worth reading the TOS before preaching it

I understand that point in the T&C's as they don't have a TOS.

My point was that it really doesn't matter what anyone else did, that if you get an email telling you it's confidential, you should honor your business agreement even if the cat is already out of the bag and there's an "OUT" clause because it went public. All that clause does is inspire people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet to feel entitled to do whatever they want without regard to any repercussions just to get that confidentiality cat out of the bag so everyone else can jump on the bandwagon after the fact.

I'm pretty sure that escape clause Google included was in the event the press published something previously deemed confidential and didn't intended to let everyone off the hook when one person in the program breached it 2 seconds after receiving the email.

Guess some prefer to wallow in the comfort that they did nothing specifically wrong although it still shows a TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT for their business arrangements with the hand that feeds them.

first of all... i just mentioned, that the "CPA Program" is finally available in Germany, too, for selected partners and that G is getting things finished.

Um, and what part of CPA now being available in Germany wasn't the confidential part?

The logic of these arguments against maintaining your contractual confidentiality absolutely astonish me.

pontifex




msg:3396191
 8:00 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

bill, we reached a point, where the snake swallows itself... people jumping out and pointing fingers at others people, who made mistakes astonish me, too.

so you are astonished by me, I am astonished by you and now I am astonished by myself... :)

P!

MikeNoLastName




msg:3397391
 7:47 pm on Jul 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

So to get back to the original subject (since I'm just reading this thread for the first time today :)

as jomaxx said: "What I don't understand (hypothetically) is how they can simply start running CPA ads on my site. I thought the whole point was for the publisher to go in and manually select relevant offers they wish to participate in? "

If you signed up for the CPA program a while back and have looked at the star ranking system they implemented to rate the ads, I've noticed the majority of them say NEW, as in no history (at least in the areas I've browsed) while the tried few in each category typically have high star ratings. Since the first instinct of selective ad picking is to pick the ones with the highest rating, the NEW ads could have a hard time getting picked and tried once the first few ads with high rankings show up. I'm thinking the 'test' program mentioned in this thread not saying that I got any e-mail about it or not...) is a way to merely get some star rankings on the NEW ads, that no one is selecting.

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