| 2:46 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
You added "content"? Woohoo!
No you are all set!
Although you would be better off waiting a month or two because when people see and like your content they will link to you and then search engines will like you and then you will get thousands of daily visitors. They are much more likely to link to a good content site if it isnt covered in ads!
[edited by: Genuine1 at 2:47 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
| 3:41 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
What Genuine1 is trying to say is: get traffic
| 3:44 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|They are much more likely to link to a good content site if it isnt covered in ads! |
I agree. I launched a new site a couple of months ago, but I'm holding off on the ads until it's better established. At this point it gets no more than 100 page views per day so a clean website is worth more than a trickle of AdSense revenue.
| 4:44 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|They are much more likely to link to a good content site if it isnt covered in ads! |
Why? So after "whatever period of time" is it deemed to be ok?
1,000/2,000/3,000 uniques/page impressions/what?
|I'm holding off on the ads until it's better established |
And just how would a visitor know how many visitors a day go to that site?
Personally I whack the ads straight on a new site and have them earning immediately.
Why wait if your content is good and relevant?
| 5:12 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
- So does this mean I can add Adsense ads, since my meta tags and content is ready?
- Which is better i.e. Link Ads or Unit Ads?
Cool, is social bookmarking sites a good way to get traffic. I am referring to blogger blog.
|What Genuine1 is trying to say is: get traffic |
| 5:32 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Hey Junior Pup :-)
It can be proven using any home computer that webmasters are more likely to link to sites with few or no ads, and by the way, the egg came first!
Get good related links to your blog from good related sites, doing this with quality has long term benefits.
| 5:33 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Why not add ads from day one? Because of peoples nature! They are less likely to link to you if they think they are sending visitors to a site that is earning money... Once you have a good few links and google search loves you because of it then you get the traffic you need. Then you add the ads... Now because you are high in the serps you will get more links anyway even with ads due to traffic volume.
[edited by: Genuine1 at 5:36 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
| 5:45 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Wait to add ads?
No. If you're going to put ads on the site, be honest about it, and do it from the start.
| 5:57 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Nothing dishonest about waiting till you have traffic before trying to monetize your site, if webmasters find your site interesting enough without ads to give you a link, in a perfect world they would still link to the same site with ads, but neither the world, nor webmasters are perfect.
| 6:00 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Waiting for the ads is somewhat good advise but I never do.
I work them into my layout so then I have spaces I have to fill with some other BS.
| 6:38 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
If you have good content people will link to you regardless of whether the site is new or old, with or without ads, relevancy matters the most and worrying about the fickleness of other webmasters is a fast way to an ulcer! :-)
| 7:12 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|If you have good content people will link to you regardless of whether the site is new or old, with or without ads... |
I disagree, but it's a gut feeling rather than based on facts. Meanwhile, I figure I'm passing up only about $20/month in revenue, so it's easier to just go with my feeling than actually research it.
I was also going to respond to your earlier questions, but I couldn't give you a better answer than Genuine1 and Hobbs already offered.
On a related note, when I build a website, I set it up so that displaying AdSense ads on every page is as easy as changing a database field from "no" to "yes".
| 7:13 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Well I for one have never linked to a site with advertising and I am not alone. So it makes sense to wait a while since without much traffic you wont be earning much anyway.
I have a pr7 site that occasionally drops to about 3 or 4 and it starts to get less google traffic.
I remove the ads, wait a few months and lo and behold it fixes itself! However it could just be coincidence I suppose, But if many webmasters think like me then it obviously isnt. And many do!
Edit - >>> On a related note, when I build a website, I set it up so that displaying AdSense ads on every page is as easy as changing a database field from "no" to "yes".
I have no idea how to do all those technical things! I do it very manually but only have about 20 to 30 pages per main site and about 5 on some minor ones.
[edited by: Genuine1 at 7:15 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
| 7:37 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Well I for one have never linked to a site with advertising and I am not alone. |
Wow, talk about double standards!
It's fine for you to carry adverts but no one else no matter how good or relevant their content?
|so it's easier to just go with my feeling than actually research it. |
It would be interesting to know where you could research such a question and just how valid it would be?
|I set it up so that displaying AdSense ads on every page is as easy as changing a database field from "no" to "yes". |
For those running miltiple web sites with many pages that's the only way to do it efficiently otherwise one could spend forever messing about.
| 7:59 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
>It would be interesting to know where you could research such a question
here on webmasterworld is the answer.
>talk about double standards
Personally if I find 3 ad units on a site's front page I move on, one ad unit and one link unit max on the inside is my tolerance threshold, this is a personal taste thing, you cannot go about calling it double standards, others have varying thresholds above and below mine, if your site is the CNN or NewYorkTimes of your niche you will get away with more ads per page, but then again you won't be needing to contact anyone for links, unless you own this kind of sites, wake up and smell the Biscuits :-)
| 8:18 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|here on webmasterworld is the answer. |
Doubtful, I've been reading here for years and I've never seen such a thread however I'll let you point me to it:-)
|talk about double standards |
We're not talking about the quantity of ads simply the fact that Geunine1 wrote:
|Well I for one have never linked to a site with advertising |
do as I say not as I do myself.
|if your site is the CNN or NewYorkTimes of your niche you will get away with more ads per page |
Yes I am and I have tried all combinations of ads and the simplest consistently turns out to be 1xLeaderboard and 1xAdLinks, anything extra and it diluted the EPC.
|wake up and smell the Biscuits |
Got the biscuits and the coffee:-) More tea vicar?
[edited by: martinibuster at 9:10 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
[edit reason] TOS [webmasterworld.com] 4 & 19. [/edit]
| 8:41 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|however I'll let you point me to it |
Honored for the opportunity, enjoy:
and these are only a sample
Try beer, works better ;-)
| 8:59 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Honored for the opportunity, enjoy: |
Thanks however there's no actual research there, just varying opinions the same as we have in this thread with more or less the same spilt as to whether one should do it, or should not, and when.
Probably Webwork summed it up best:
|An essential operating principal of hell is this: You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. |
Herein lies the hellish dilema for webmasters who envision paying their way by the addition of Adsenee:
* You are damned to get no links since others will not give you their link love due to the mere sighting of Adsense on your website.
* You are damned to SERPs hell if you don't acquire links.
* You are damned by Google if you pay for link love or offer some other quid pro quo for links, which is necessary since others won't freely give you their link love due to Adsense.
I marvel at the seeming screwiness of this Google spawned scenario.
I'd love to see some well constructed market research on whether the presence of Adsense is link antimatter. If that assertion is well supported by market research then Google truly needs to re-examine its position on linking strategies. It just makes Nosense that on one hand it should profit from a product that deters "natural linking" and on the other hand penalize those who find it necessary to resort to methods of linking that are characterized as unnatural.
Am I making sense of the Adsense dilema? If I am then I shall be forced to think of the Adsense Forum as the Badsense Forum because the way things are now structured just make Nosense.
Yep, I am a speed reader:-))
| 9:02 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
>>> For those running miltiple web sites with many pages that's the only way to do it efficiently otherwise one could spend forever messing about.
And yep - other sites seldome get links from me. I dont bother linking out much and in the few cases I do then its always to sites with no ads or very few ads on internal pages and a mountain of useful content.
That does not make me a hypocrit because I dont ask anyone to link to me! Thats their choice. But although I have ads on all pages and sometimes 3 the pages are about 5 feet long in most cases! All useful info.
[edited by: Genuine1 at 9:08 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
| 9:07 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
That's exactly why I said the egg came first.
>more or less the same spilt
There's your clue, even if it was 50/50, that's enough for me, but how many nonlinking webmasters do you think are going to be as brave as Genuine1 and come out in an AdSense forum and admit to it? (given the abuse)
I'd say it's more than 50% that don't link, much more.
What matters is getting as many good links as one can, why tempt fate? And for what reward?
| 9:09 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
maybe you could put the ads on for a month or two, and if you're not getting any joy then take them off for a while and see if that helps.
the proof is in the pudding -- all sites are different.
stick the ads on and if it works, it works. if it don't, then try something else.
| 9:16 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
It all comes down to strength of content and the interest others have in it at the end of the day.
Like the new york times example. If your content has real value you do not need to worry the links will come regardless.
I get thousands of links on one of my "how to build your own expensive widget" sites, mainly from forums and small related hobby sites but also from some really big very high PR sites. That happens regardless of your adsense ads (or any ads) IF the content is good enough and people really want it.
| 9:32 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|I'd say it's more than 50% that don't link, much more. |
However, unfortunately, there's absolutely no data whatsoever to prove this and therein lies the conundrum.
FWIW I only link my trade widget directory site to sites with genuine content, it doesn't worry me in the slightest if they have AdSense/other so long as the site/page is relevant, constructed well and loads correctly.
|how many nonlinking webmasters do you think are going to be as brave as Genuine1 and come out in an AdSense forum and admit to it? (given the abuse) |
No abuse intended from me, Genuine1 is as entitled to his opinion and run his sites the way he feels best as I am to mine, we simply clearly differ about the implementations of a new site plus, it is also very clear from his post, that it would not matter one jot what charleychacko's site is about, it is extremely unlikely he wouldn't link to it anyway regardless of how brilliant it is:
|then its always to sites with no ads or very few ads on internal pages and a mountain of useful content. |
And the hypocrisy of this is that Genuine1 has AdSense on his index pages:-)
| 10:38 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
HuskyPup, I can see his point. If someone asks me to link to them, I look at their site and evaluate it based on a number of things. First is the content. What does the site have to offer that I feel is compelling enough that i will risk losing my visitor? Next is the overall appearance. I don't really care about fancy design, but it needs to be clean. Also, I won't send visitors to a site that seems to care more about ads than content (pop ups are a deal killer).
I never require a reciprocal link. I link to the site based on the value of the site.
Hey, this is actually a very interesting thread. I'll bet the OP got way more than he bargained for :)
| 11:45 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Yes I have ads on the index page. But the content is strong enough for people to link very heavily to it regardless.
I never ask anyone to do that. I have NEVER asked for or paid for a link. Or bought traffic. If it flys it does it because people want it.
Its up to them. And linking out bleeds page rank (traffic from the only search engine that matters at the moment) so I have VERY few outbound links at all. How would that help? Only really good information sites related to what my "thing" is about. No comercial sites or even sites selling anything. Thats what adsense is for. Failing that they choose another page from the carefully chosen menu or click back.
[edited by: Genuine1 at 11:48 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
| 11:46 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I ran my site for four years before putting ads on it.
Gathered 1000s of good links during that time.
Then again, I didn't know there were such things as ads on websites for the 1st four years!
Now I have 10000 crappy links from fake search MFA sites.
| 11:50 pm on Jul 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
But they have no page or trust rank so are ignored. The good links come from real trusted valuable sites with high page rank. They give YOU some page rank and therefore you get good serps .
[edited by: Genuine1 at 11:51 pm (utc) on July 12, 2007]
| 4:58 am on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Content is what matters at the first place.
If one site has a purpose (niche oriented), and visitors can find what they want on that site, I link to that site, regardless if it has ads or not.
You know, regular visitors are NOT webmasters. They do not think like webmasters. They do not perceive ads on a page as one webmaster does. What they want is USEFUL INFORMATION, be it inside the body of the document or Adsense link that will take them to next website that will give them information they are looking for.
So, yes, put ads as soon as you want (don't overdo it), there are people that will link to your website if it has good and useful content.
| 6:09 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)|
But there are more that will link to you without the ads and thats the point.
More inbound quality links wont bring you much traffic directly - if any - but definitely will bring you more and much faster via the search engines. And since you will have very little traffic to start with (and therefore income) why wouldnt you give things a hand since you have nothing to lose? Typically I wait until there is traffic and links coming from 20 or so GOOD PR 4 or above sources. Anything from a couple of months to 6 months.
I have only done this on a few small sites and recently since the majority of my sites were posted way before google even existed for the fun of sharing information many years back.
So they already had many good links aquired over the years. They were already pr4 to pr7. I added adsense to all 15 or so small 15 page sites in 2003 and earned 3k+ ish per month ever since. I was lucky in that I already had a bunch of amatur(ish!) hobby sites that were full of good useful info posted on my ISPs free space.
Starting from scratch as I have done with a couple of sites a year ago and 3 months ago is harder. But both are now doing pretty well.
Some sites never do any good and never get more than a a hundred visitors a day or so and they dont improve over time. These sites either have useless content (I have a few of these too!) or are on a subject that nobody is interested in. Nobody links. So in this case I drop the ads on and just leave them. They earn about 1 beer each a day...
[edited by: Genuine1 at 6:26 pm (utc) on July 13, 2007]
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