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The Giant How to Make Money with AdSense Thread
Your thoughts on creating a long-term sustainable income with adsense?
atreides9999




msg:3372921
 1:42 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I would quit work and travel the world living forever off my Adsense income. I figure I need to be steadily earning over around $2000 p/m. This income needs to be stable. I know that doesn’t sound like a lot for all that travel, but I’m quite happy to get part time jobs picking fruit, or serving drinks on a beach front resort to help fund my travels.

The wonderful people at G already EFT the payments to me, so I don’t even need to bank the cheques. I just need good quality sites with long term stable income. I already have a couple of such sites which are popular, but they are living at the low end of the income market, as they are mostly hobby sites.

I was wondering what everyone’s advice would be? In particular for building sustainable adsense income. Also does anyone else have the same idea?

Some things I already think (please let me know if you disagree)

- Less ads on a page is better to make happy, returning visitors, who might even promote the site because they like it so much. (I hate over advertised sites).

- Quality, in depth, content is king.

- Stuffing my pages with keywords is useless if the visitors don’t like the writing style.

- Unique sites are king. Even if its only a lightly different angle on a common topic.

Any other idea, thoughts?

(Oh, and for 2 years time, “Bon Voyage!”).

 

timwestla




msg:3372933
 1:50 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Personally, I think it would be too risky to rely on Google for my main income. It sure would be nice, though.

vincevincevince




msg:3372939
 1:54 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

atreides9999, that's a brilliant idea and I really think you should go through with it. I suggest that you start out somewhere cheap (SE Asia, for example) and bring a lightweight laptop with a standard modem, full set of phone socket adaptors, ethernet port, and wireless card. Build your income as you travel, and preferably as part of your travels. After all, you'll be having a really rich experience so why not try to monetise that itself? As your income goes up, then start going to more expensive countries!

atreides9999




msg:3372966
 2:22 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Personally, I think it would be too risky to rely on Google for my main income. It sure would be nice, though.

Well simply google earns me the most. (except in once small niche where an affilate wins) They also EFT payments. (most other advertisers don't EFT outside the US.) Pretty hard to bank checques when I'm not home.

Like all webmasters I'm still a little worried by the all the reports of getting kicked for doing nothing. But, I have designed sites quite well so advertising fits all in the same module. If the dooms day ever, I could quickly switch advertisers. But I love the G, and I'm ultra, ultra careful about such things. (I even keep my web address secret from friends).

atreides9999




msg:3372973
 2:25 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

VinceVicnceVince, you have almost read my mind. I think I will have to buy a good camera and open a travel website also... hehe.. The possibilites are endless once I get started...

yolkman




msg:3372979
 2:29 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

It depends on which South East Asia country you live in. If you live in big city, it is not as cheap as you think it is.

thecleaner




msg:3372980
 2:32 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I used to think I could do anything I wanted with 2k a month. Now, if I don't make at least 10k a month I cant even eat!

I used to think 10k a month was a lot of money and it would make me financially free. Now that only covers my budget.

Land payment 2k/month
nanny 1,200/month
food 1k/month
cell phone and lights 1k
rent 1k
personal assist 1k
office 1k
emergency fund 1k
other stuff i cant remember 1k

It sucks!

The funny thing is, I didnt have all these bills when I was broke and I got by just fine without them!

vincevincevince




msg:3372981
 2:35 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm here in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and I live on a fifth of what I spent when I was in a small village in the UK, and a tenth of what I spent when I was in London. That's why I suggested SE Asia. Of course, you have to be willing to go a little local - eat the local foods in the places the locals eat, use the transport the locals use, etc. Swan in like some fancy expat with a silver spoon up your 'nose' and you'll spend the same anywhere you go.

The travel + write + money model already has some adherents in this very forum. Read well and you will pick up who they are!

koncept




msg:3373010
 3:33 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't travel constantly, but I do travel the world for many months out of every year. I work as an affiliate rather than with adsense, but either way it's a similar deal. And it's fabulous!

South east Asia is great... when I was there for a few months I envisioned exactly what you are talking about... I am thinking of spending winters in Thailand with my laptop. And the beauty is, my business requires very little attention so I can work as little as I choose.

So I say go for it. Like vince says, some places are very cheap to live so why wait 2 years? Best wishes!

studee




msg:3371914
 8:50 am on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)


System: The following 6 messages were spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google_adsense/3371912.htm [webmasterworld.com] by martinibuster - 7:43 pm on June 19, 2007 (utc -8)


Hey Fella Pros I started a new blog on blogspot its just 10 days old and i have gud traffic 2739 page views 495 unique, 275 first time, 220 repeat, i made 6.53$ yet .

My traffic is more repeat visitor what ads should i use i don know much mre thn adsense help and suggest my average are like this 342 page impression 62 unique 34 new 28 repeat

Yesterday i made my top in a day 2.98

What more ads i can do and what i can hope to earn frm this site thanks in advance to all

joelgreen




msg:3372103
 12:30 pm on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I doubt AdSense would find appropriate ads for such language :-)

rj87uk




msg:3372115
 12:49 pm on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well studee,

I would try and get more traffic... So keep blogging and creating new posts three or four a day and see what happends!

RJ

zett




msg:3372167
 2:10 pm on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

2739 page views 495 unique, 275 first time, 220 repeat, i made 6.53$ yet

What, exactly, do you expect from Adsense?

$6.53 for 2,739 page views = eCPM of $2.38

which is not bad at all, especially considering that your blog is *cough* just ten days old. Personally, I would just pray that your success will hold.

Just out of curiosity, what are you blogging about?

LifeinAsia




msg:3372223
 3:11 pm on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hopefully, the spelling in your blog is a lot better than in your post here. Otherwise, the AdSense bots will have problems figuring out exactly what the content is about on each page and you won't get relevant ads. And therefore, your earnings will be less than potential.

Reno_Chris




msg:3373002
 3:12 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yep, All you need is about 5000 unique visitors per day, on average, and then you should be in pretty good shape (of course you didnt say exactly how much money you wanted to make). At your current rate of success in gaining readers, that should only take another month or two. So no worries, mate.

[edited by: Reno_Chris at 3:21 am (utc) on June 20, 2007]

norton j radstock




msg:3373115
 5:23 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

atreides9999
What you have in mind is very possible. However before you set off on your travels, I would suggest spreading the risk a bit -income from several sites on different topics and most importantly, income from a range of sources -see [webmasterworld.com...]
If you do this, then you can at least protect yourself against unexpected changes.

netchicken1




msg:3373133
 6:13 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Your idea is viable, but only for a short term.

I travelled last year for 10 weeks, and kept my site up to date by using cybercafes, and uploading pics and writing my adventures (cycled from Turkey to Germany).

However even in that short time period I found I lost track of what was happening on the net, and in webdesign and google. You also have to be very careful on other people's machines, in case of keyloggers etc.

Google and the net is so volatile, that you are making a huge gamble. As soon as you relax something may bowl your site over, or google may change its aligorthmns etc.

If you want to live off google you have to treat it as a real job, and keep doing the work to stay on top of things.

Raymond




msg:3373145
 6:38 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Less ads on a page is better to make happy, returning visitors, who might even promote the site because they like it so much. (I hate over advertised sites).

I hate to disagree with this, but it works out to be the contrary from my experience. I am not saying you should clutter your entire site with ads, but do not be afraid to put "enough" ads on your content pages. Yes, you'll piss off some visitors for sure, but the extra income you make, you could spend on more advertising, which will in return bring you more visitors. Trust me, normal users don't really care if a page contains a good amount of advertisements as long as you have the content they want. It is usually the "webmasters" that are being anal about it, so unless your sites are targeting webmasters, you shouldn't have a problem.

Good luck on your journey! I wish I have the guts to just dump everything and go travel.

[edited by: Raymond at 6:39 am (utc) on June 20, 2007]

atreides9999




msg:3373150
 6:43 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks netchicken1. I understand entirly. However I already have a good 'real job'. I only treat the webmaster thing as a secondary income. However such a secondary income would be great to fall back on while travelling, if I'm also taking part time work.

So what I'm asking is: How can I overcome this volitility?

I read a story here by a guy here the other day who said he had sites he hasn't changed for years, and they make good cash. What does it take to generate such site? Sites that work well with adsense and stand the test of time?

timwestla




msg:3373165
 7:06 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

However I already have a good 'real job'.

I think that's your biggest obstacle. When I read your first post earlier, my initial thought was that it would take alot more than $2000 of AdSense revenue to pry me away from my 'real job.' It's hard to give up the stability of a real job for the uncertainty of AdSense.

atreides9999




msg:3373170
 7:13 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes Raymond, it seems most people here disagree with this principal sadly.

I do place ads on the site where possible. And I'm not afraid to use them. But I am careful not to interupt my site natural flow/layout.

A link unit. Plus 2 adsense blocks seems to work for me. Interestinly, my site converts very well at the very bottom of an article.

Some site support the full 3 units quite well actually. But there seems to be a big difference between over advertising interupting the user, and well placed use of ads (that convert, as well as letting the user make the most of the site.)

I am forever trying to find this balance.

Also, my income from current site is constant, slightly improving each month (without site maintenance or link-building). My users tend to build links for me. However my sites are quite niche (low paying niches with little competition), but they are quite popular with my users and still receive quite good trafic.

I'm currently in the sub-5c click world, but I do get a few clicks. Before I attempt to enter the big world, I was hoping to get some more advice...

Ohh, the risk factor for me is low. If all else fails, I can get a normal job when I return home. I am building these sites so I can build up to travel freely (also hobby). Need to take a risk sometimes :-)

whisky




msg:3375655
 11:47 am on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have been working on adsense for a year now and i seem to have hit a ceiling limit so far. I would never give up my day job for adsense as i was earning a decent amount one month then my index dropped and i started to earn a lot less. Just think if you gave up your job and your mortgage depended on adsense and this happened.
I try to put 2 x banner ads on the top of my page and the same at the bottom.
This seems to work well and ctr is good a cpc.

[edited by: jatar_k at 1:02 pm (utc) on June 22, 2007]
[edit reason] no urls thanks [/edit]

potentialgeek




msg:3376070
 6:38 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Earn enough part-time on Adsense income to buy your house, car, and enough to live off for a few years with no mortgage, car payments, etc. Then quit your job and do construction of sites full-time.

p/g

ronburk




msg:3376847
 4:37 pm on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

If the dooms day ever, I could quickly switch advertisers.

Poor risk management, since a doomsday switchover might reveal that your revenue from other advertisers is a tiny fraction of your Google revenue.

Instead, maintain a percentage of your ads with other advertisers, so that you know all along how bad it's going to be if Google drops you. Stuff enough cash in your shoe lining to buy a ticket home :-).

workingNOMAD




msg:3376861
 4:52 pm on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

"I suggest that you start out somewhere cheap (SE Asia, for example) and bring a lightweight laptop with a standard modem..........As your income goes up, then start going to more expensive countries!"

That is exactly what I did two years ago and now my income is such that I no longer live in Thailand or Bali but I am actually moving to Barcelona and working on my sites from there.

When I was made redundant two years ago from my regular job my web income was n't too great, around $200 a week, but in many countries you can live like a king on that.

This also gave me the opportunity to work full time on my sites as my main source of income.

If you have few responsibilities at home and a curiosity to see other parts of the World then there is no better way to grow your own web business.

[edited by: workingNOMAD at 5:00 pm (utc) on June 23, 2007]

sailorjwd




msg:3376938
 7:11 pm on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

You should be saving $2K per month just in case you reach the ripe old age of 40 and everything turns to poop.

Keep saving until you are 60 and you'll be able to retire and pay for the $20 per gallon milk and gasoline.

Have google pay you $2K per month for savings and get a real job that pays $4K per month - work while you can. That's what I'm doing but I started at 50 so I can never retire :(

jetteroheller




msg:3377283
 11:35 am on Jun 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Keep saving until you are 60 and you'll be able to retire and pay for the $20 per gallon milk and gasoline.

Who will be so strange to drive with $20 per gallon gasoline?!?

We will have in the future plug-in-hybrid cars, driving most of the time with cheap solar energy from the photovoltaic on the roof of our houses

[google.org...]

woofwoof




msg:3377380
 3:40 pm on Jun 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Started adsense dec 2003, by april 2005 broke the old UPS club (10k month)
may 2005 - Europe
july 2005 Australia
jan 2006 Thailand
June 2006 Canada

The problem is travelling is fun, partying is fun, my old regimen of all day everyday website building - not so much fun, my web income slowly but steadily declined until now it pays for treats, and im working for someone else which sucks.

Even in SE Asia $2000 is pretty easy to blow in a month especially if your travelling about.

I still say go for it, but make sure you have a couple of months of living expenses and a ticket home.
Good luck.

added: what netchicken1 said is very true.

europeforvisitors




msg:3377422
 4:40 pm on Jun 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Any other idea, thoughts?

I think there may be a big shakeout (with a growing spread between the "haves" and the "have-not") in the coming year, as advertisers get better statistics from Google and are given the ability to target contextual (CPC) ads by site.

Having multiple revenue streams has always been a good idea, but it may be even more important in the future.

yandos




msg:3378147
 12:59 pm on Jun 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'd strongly advise about diversfying your income streams before starting off on a trip. Although you say you can get a job when your travelling, this isn't always the case and the money isn't going to be anything like what you'd need to attain the same life as before. If it was, why wouldn't the locals do it?

Adsense can be good, but all you need To Do Is look at the latest SERPS/950 penalty etc thread And you can see a lot of people who have been hit no matter how much they play by the rules.

I'd get into the following aspects

- build more niche sites with unique content And concentrate some Link building For these, Then wait For the Next PR update. If you can Get PR4+ For Each of them, sign up To some textlink advertising sites. Niches ones are always In demand And you can easily pull In $50 a month Each site For these.
- Get an adwords voucher And play around In some affiliate stuff. Stay away from arbitrage stuff but look at pushing ebooks Or similar. Try MSN adcenter as well For this.
- look into creating some online games, myspace codes,cool videos, tutorials type of sites. Even though theres a lot of these around you can still Get very good traffic, especially from tutorial sites. For these sites try more traditional CPM advertising as adsense never works too well For these sites.

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