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New "Allowed Sites" option
I like it so much
NoPlaceLikeHome

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 7:13 am on Jun 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just saw this new option under AdSense Setup tab. I can now choose "Allow any site to show ads for my account" or "Only allow certain sites to show ads for my account".

This is a usefull option to against those proxy sites.

Btw I'm still looking for another option which can "Disable Revenue Sharing". In this way those f$%^&* hackers can leave me alone.

 

Hobbs

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 7:29 am on Jun 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Are you sure?
All I am seeing ubder AdSense Setup is:
Products ¦ Color Palettes ¦ Channels ¦ Competitive Ad Filter

I would have thought such an option would be under My Account > Account Settings

Anyway, nothing here.

NoPlaceLikeHome

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 8:06 am on Jun 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Maybe they only enabled this option to publishers who have problems (proxy site, unauthorized site, etc.) in Site Diagnostics.

inactivist

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 2:21 pm on Jun 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Not here... yet.

farmboy

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 8:52 pm on Jun 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is this something you saw with AdSense or Adwords?

FarmBoy

NoPlaceLikeHome

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 7:21 am on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

I saw this today under my Allowed Sites tab:

There are unauthorized sites that have displayed ads using your AdSense publisher ID within the last week. Please click here to view them.

Some of these sites are IPs of Google cache and two are proxy sites.

wheelie34

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 10:32 am on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Maybe its only displayed to accounts that G thinks their ads are displaying on sites other than their own? in frames etc and G is asking if you are ok with it.

rustybrick

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 11:53 am on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Are you talking about this URL?

https://www.google.com/adsense/list-auth

Where you allow third party sites to host your AdSense? Like Blogger.com?

It is called "Site Authentication".

Is that this?

wheelie34

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 12:44 pm on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Site authentication is for pages that require a login.

Use this section to allow the AdSense crawler to access pages that are behind a login

celgins

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 12:51 pm on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm guessing that is what he's referring to. When I tried accessing that page it showed the "Site Authentication" headings, but contained no information.

AdSenseAdvisor

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 11:38 pm on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

As NoPlaceLikeHome described, we're starting to test a new feature that would let publishers choose between allowing any site to display ads with their pub-ID (no change from the current system), and authorizing only a specific list of sites to display their ads. This is separate from the existing Site Authentication feature.

The team thinks this'll help address a number of issues we've heard feedback on, and we hope to release it to all publishers if the testing goes smoothly.

-ASA

Genuine1

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 11:59 pm on Jun 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thats excellent news. But what would be more interesting would be to filter advertisers by account. Because...

Although you recently banned the majority of the adsense/adwords arbitrage sites (not before time and a HUGE improvement to everything advertiser/google/publisher I might add!) I yesterday removed the 200 old ones I had filtered.

Today I set about re-checking. I have 100+ of the same spam/mfa/arbitrage crowd so far in the filter and I only spent an hour looking. Now they are the same advertisers just using other networks ads. This may well be better for both publishers and advertisers as well as googles credibility but...

The same low quality user experience is there. So I try to filter anyway. I dont want my visitors to think I put these links on my pages.

But most are using the same design and 30 or so domains at a time even in my small niche. It takes hours of work to find them all and then the filter is too full to add the next 50 or so that you find with the same layout and design a few days later.

When can we have better tools or a bigger filter?

[edited by: Genuine1 at 12:02 am (utc) on June 15, 2007]

Marcia

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 12:36 am on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

But most are using the same design and 30 or so domains at a time even in my small niche. It takes hours of work to find them all and then the filter is too full to add the next 50 or so that you find with the same layout and design a few days later.

Exactly that is the reason I had to remove Adsense from my holiday pages last shopping season - I couldn't keep up with the flood that kept coming in and replacing the ones I was putting on the filter daily. Same design, same account. Two, as a matter of fact. One was an email harvesting/lead generation operation offering FREE stuff with bogus offers (squeeze pages), the other was just best 5, best 6, best 10. That's the reason I hesitate to even bother with featuring any holidays any more, and probably won't until there's an option to filter by advertiser account, or deceptive "keywords" like FREE.

BTW, holiday or seasonal favorites - like decorations, wedding season,, etc. also cause inappropriate and wasteful specific ads running where they're completely irrelevant. Pages offering general, non-specific all-purpose widgets will bomb if ads are running specifically for wedding widgets. General "people's" apparel pages will bomb if ads are running for dog sweaters - and yes, I did once have that happening. And so do completely irrelevant, very specific widget ads run year-round, to the point where I'll have to take Adsense off the widget pages - which are VERY on topic for the "general" widgets and DO convert, based on a history of sales generated from affiliate links.

Pages that have good potential for converting for advertisers can get killed by inappropriate ad targeting - hence, we know our theme and target audience and should have better filtering capabilities. It would be better for us and definitely for advertisers (who make far more by acquiring new customers than we make for the click), and for the effectiveness of Google's program on the content network.

farmboy

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 3:18 am on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

...and authorizing only a specific list of sites to display their ads. This is separate from the existing Site Authentication feature.

Will someone who has seen this elaborate?

Does AdSense provide a list of potential advertisers (sites?) similar to a Preview Tool display and then the publisher can check off which ones he/she wants to appear?

FarmBoy

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 7:30 am on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Will someone who has seen this elaborate?

Does AdSense provide a list of potential advertisers (sites?) similar to a Preview Tool display and then the publisher can check off which ones he/she wants to appear?

FarmBoy

I do not have the feature. But what I think AS Adviser means is that the publisher can dictate to AS which sites he places his/her code on or not.

In other words if you place your code on three different sites then you could tell G that you knowingly publish on those sites. Then if G comes across a site that is using your AS code it may raise questions about it.

Play_Bach

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 9:53 am on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is great news! Thanks ASA. For what it's worth, I posted about being able to register my domains back in Nov 2005 (I'm sure there were others before and after who did similarly), so I'd all but given up that this would happen:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Glad to see AdSense seriously considering this as it will go a long ways in calming the nerves of those of us who see the lack of such registration as very problematic.

iwannano1

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 10:58 am on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you have 3 websits allow your AS ID to show ad using Google server side white listing:
web1 . com <-- allow
web2 . com <-- allow
web3 . com <-- allow

And 4th is called
steal my content . com <--- ban this site using Google server side black listing.

Many site steals content with AS code. This will avoid those problem.

sonjay

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 11:10 am on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

It would seem that a feature providing the reverse of this could be useful, too: A white list of pub_IDs that are allowed to use AdSense on the sites listed in the account.

I've seen a few threads lately about hackers changing pub_ID codes, IT people surreptitiously placing their own IDs on corporate sites, and the like. A flag that raises the alarm when a different pub_ID is used on a site could be helpful.

ann

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 12:38 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

yes, I have seen that before. It was mean't for people with blogs. some can turn it on to allow the blog owner access to their accounts, others can turn them off individually.

Ann

FrostyMug

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 12:43 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

great news!

1. we can allow only our site to display code
2. we can now have a stat on who might be using our code out there

any word on when full rollout will commence?

skweb

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 3:20 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

A feature that was sorely needed for a long time. What was the guarantee that a crook would not place your ads on a "bad" website to get you banned or at least in trouble?

farmboy

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 3:44 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Although you recently banned the majority of the adsense/adwords arbitrage sites

Are you sure about that?

FarmBoy

Play_Bach

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 4:03 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

> What was the guarantee that a crook would not place your ads on a "bad" website to get you banned or at least in trouble?

There isn't - and that's the problem. Having your domains registered would at least say to AdSense that any domains not in your list are bogus and all clicks, page impressions etc. coming from outside of it should be dealt with accordingly.

I'd also like to be able to register my IP and/or MAC addresses as well.

[edited by: Play_Bach at 4:34 pm (utc) on June 15, 2007]

mvandemar

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 5:22 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

What was the guarantee that a crook would not place your ads on a "bad" website to get you banned or at least in trouble?

There was actually a big stink about back in September of last year, where some users felt this is what had happened to them, and due to the total lack of transparency in the program they had no way to verify it and try and get their accounts reinstated. It was determined that anyone could get anyone else banned from AdSense just by putting AdSense code with that users pub_id on a site that violated the AdSense TOS, no invalid clicks needed. Leave it up there, and if no one else reports it, report it after a month or so.

Kudos to the AdSense team... it only took you nine months to even start a beta program that might help with this issue.

Quick question though... even though you might not be legally bound to do so, do you think that perhaps re-evaluating some of those cancelled accounts over the last year might be the "right thing to do", now that you admit it could have been a problem all along?

-Michael

AdSenseAdvisor

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 8:13 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

In other words if you place your code on three different sites then you could tell G that you knowingly publish on those sites. Then if G comes across a site that is using your AS code it may raise questions about it.

To clarify - yes, this feature would authorize certain sites to display ad code with your publisher ID, as Visit Thailand and iwannano1 describe, not as an advertiser review tool.

even though you might not be legally bound to do so, do you think that perhaps re-evaluating some of those cancelled accounts over the last year might be the "right thing to do"

Any publisher who thinks he/she's been the victim of sabotage at any point should certainly contact us following the directions here:
[google.com...]

-ASA

mvandemar

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 9:58 pm on Jun 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Any publisher who thinks he/she's been the victim of sabotage at any point should certainly contact us following the directions here:
[google.com...]

That deals with invalid clicks. When I tried to find out about where impressions that were not coming from any URLs that I have in my URL Channels were coming from (which should cover everywhere *I* have my AdSense code) they kept telling me to send in my logs for any suspicious activity I noticed. I informed them that the thing that made it suspicious was that they appeared to be coming from somewhere else other than my site, and my logs would not actually show anything.

It took six emails to get the "specialist" to understand this. The advice I got was:

Add Google Analytics
Review my traffic logs
Add Google Analytics (again)
Was told again that clicks were monitored (in response to me saying it wasn't clicks I was worried about)

I am a very patient person, and very good at getting my point across, but I'm guessing that the kind of replies I got would have frustrated most people into giving up, and with bannings you don't even have the option of a volley of emails like that (from what I understand, anyways).

My understanding is that people who get banned get exactly one appeal, and if the reason they are being banned is due to a site that is displaying their AdSense code being in violation, they are not told which site that is (I know I was told that letting me know which sites were running my AdSense code would give away proprietary info, which is makes zero sense). Can those who were banned from that at least get a second appeal now, and be allowed to know which site it was that got them banned?

-Michael

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 1:42 am on Jun 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

"they are not told which site that is"

Of course, since they should have had google analytics running. tee hee.

It is worse than dealing with Dell support. And That is saying something.

Does anyone with 1/2 a brain ever review G's support responses on a random basis? (nope)

G needs a Quality Initiative.

mvandemar

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 8:41 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Can those who were banned from that at least get a second appeal now, and be allowed to know which site it was that got them banned?

From the complete lack of response, is it safe to assume that the answer to that question was a "no"...?

-Michael

wyweb



 
Msg#: 3366098 posted 10:42 pm on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

From the complete lack of response, is it safe to assume that the answer to that question was a "no"...?

I don't think anybody knows.

RonS

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Msg#: 3366098 posted 10:34 am on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

This would be a wonderful addition to my toolbox!

I JUST had a case where someone copied one of my sites (including my pub-id) onto an old domain. With this tool, I would have been alerted to it immediately!

I wonder about one thing though: Will the tool be smart enough to allow the Google Cache as an authorized publisher domain without my telling it?

For some really odd strange, stupid reason, AdSense doesn't look at the URL of a Google search cache request and decode it to understand that it already knows about the cached page. Otherwise it would know exactly what ads to place on the page instead of the random ones that I see when visiting a cache version.

So I worry that if AdSense is unable to understand that the Google IP in a URL for cache requests should be parsed for the original URL, that they won't automatically also look to the original URL in the cache request to determine domain authority for publishing.

ASA?

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