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AdSense Disabling Arbitrage Accounts by June 1st - Part 3
June 8th is the date for the second round
heyday

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 2:17 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thread continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


I was just forwarded another email from someone I know who made it past lasts months Adsense Ban only to find that last night they are getting cut off as well.

The email they forwarded says they have untill June 8th......so he gets 4 days instead of 14 days like last month.

I think it's pretty funny to read the Inside Adsense post today.......kind of a message to the arbitrage crowd I think.....

I'm sorry "Inside Adsense" guys but when you are marketing a product....its crazy to put links on your site to take the customer a way.

heyday

[edited by: jatar_k at 3:15 pm (utc) on June 5, 2007]

 

zett

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 2:48 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

A-Ha. Someone somewhere *is* listening. That's good news.

"Petronius, please hand me a crystal goblet for my tears."

Hobbs

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 3:01 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Keep it all in one thread please, easier to keep track of the topic this way.

farmboy

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 3:11 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I was just forwarded another email from someone I know who made it past lasts months Adsense Ban only to find that last night they are getting cut off as well.

The email they forwarded says they have untill June 8th......so he gets 4 days instead of 14 days like last month.

Can you provide any details, even in a broad sense? Was it arbitrage related, MFA related?

Any chance this person simply got an individual "goodbye" message and it's not a full second round?

A-Ha. Someone somewhere *is* listening. That's good news.

LOL! Of course, the question is "who is listening and what are they listening to?"

FarmBoy

heyday

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 3:43 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes arbitrage and yes MFA.......

Looking at the site they forwarded me to..... looks to be a very quality site...original content but from what they are telling me 100% adwords traffic.

potentialgeek

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 3:51 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google is reading this thread and related threads. Like their rep said.

Went to another big forum and they spent the entire first page of discussion asking what is arbitrage? I don't know if they're all kids over there, but there aren't many serious forums like WW that G staff would even want to read.

Having said that, I doubt any new decisions G made were because of what the staff read here. We've asked for a lot of things it never provided.

There is little reason why Google wouldn't want to make its changes gradually.

p/g

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 4:29 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

heyday

Well... if the site was high quality.. why did it have only adWords traffic? Was it a new site? Does it have only adSense for EXIT..

You really get me worried ...again.

My sites have a mix of adWords, natural, Affiliate traffic.. Guess, I gotta grin and bear what ever is coming..

callivert

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 4:42 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Having said that, I doubt any new decisions G made were because of what the staff read here

No, but maybe they weren't sure what the reaction would be in the webmaster community. Maybe there would be a backlash - who could know? As it turns out, the reaction was overwhelmingly positive.
So that may influence their decision whether to backpedal, hold, or get even tougher.
Public opinion counts, but of course it's one factor of many.

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 4:51 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Did a reverse IP look up. Someone from Google went thru. 40 pages of my website yday. Well, if they are doing manual reviews, I should be ok. Interesting times. Tense but interesting.

farmboy

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 5:03 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

As it turns out, the reaction was overwhelmingly positive.

I'm not so sure I would characterize it that way. The reaction was positive when everyone was discussing expectations.

But based on results, I'd say the reaction was closer to disappointment, both here and on the AdWords board. Thankfulness that an attempt was made, but still falling a bit short of what was hoped.

Of course, that was probably because expectations grew larger than reality.

FarmBoy

trinorthlighting

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 5:28 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I agree farmboy, google should keep going on this to establish adwords advertisers trust again. This move will benefit good publishers in the long run and and will benefit advertisers when quality comes back to the content side of advertising. I still see a ton of mfa's out there with scraped content. So they still have a ways to go.

At least they are looking now. Once they complete their housecleaning process they need to let adwords advertisers know so we can look into investing in the content network again.

gepoman

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 7:24 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi

Has anyone read the latest AS Policy updates?
It looks like G is taking careful steps explaining all the arb/mfa/less-user-spending/... to all AdSense publishers.

Yes, I do think that not all AdSense publishers are seo/sem/webmasters/... educated.

P.S.
Does anyone thinks it is looking like a first episode in a new iTech serial? :) I bet there will be more of it every-week.

Gepoman

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 3:26 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

"AS Policy updates? "

Pls forward a Link.

Can't find it.

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 3:40 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

O K found it.

What I can understand is:

adWords and adSense is allowed together, if pages have substantial content.

Upto three Link units can now be placed on a page... ( spammy ...?)

Publishers using online advertising to drive traffic to pages showing Google ads must comply with the spirit of Google's Landing Page Quality Guidelines. For instance, if you advertise for sites participating in the AdSense program, the advertising should not be deceptive to users.

[google.com...]

[edited by: bakedjake at 8:48 pm (utc) on June 8, 2007]
[edit reason] cleaned up post [/edit]

alephh

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 10:14 am on Jun 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

After 5 full days, earnings are up 25%-30%, mainly because clickvalue is up. :-)

Just checked my stats more closely, cannot find anything like this from the last 12 months.

CTR is also a bit up, which is totally against my traditional yearly cycle.

Waiting for the alleged "June 8th cut" and dreaming that my earnings rise even higher... ;-D

But more likely other sectors will benefit from the cut, it's so random after all how things affect publishers.

newsecular

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 8:47 pm on Jun 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am sorry for the June. 8 webmasters. There will be even more later.
Google AdSense has not yet fixed the causes for all this trouble so there will have to be new crackdowns again and again and again.

newsecular

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 8:56 pm on Jun 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Advice to webmasters that have been kicked out.
I am sure they will appreciate if there are others that can offer some advice.

Sign up and account or two for ALL PPC and similar companies out there, there are several dozen of them now. Google will for sure buy several more ad based companies going forward and integrate them into the AdSense platform, you just might get back in though an account in one of them - therefore be sure to be in all of them.

potentialgeek

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 5:19 am on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google goes out of its way to be as vague as possible. It's almost like mumbling.

Quality is good. Deception is bad. Zzzzzzzzzz...

When Google wants to improve quality, it will offer a higher epc for sites with higher quality navigation. And ban adsense from landing pages. (And get a new tip copywriter!)

If a site is a well-made site, with useful content, exactly as advertised, you'll get the visitors to go beyond the landing page to another page, where you can have your ads.

You know they could try their vagueness routine for the quality issue, e.g: 'You may notice a higher EPC if you raise the quality of your navigation.'

A lot of Adsensers will go out and develop their navigation and even if their EPC doesn't go up, no harm done, just a better experience for users.

p/g

newsecular

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 9:16 am on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

The thing is that Google treats itself like it is exceptional. Just like the Bush administration treats itself like it is exceptional (it is therefore ironic how most of the Bay Area liberals at the Googleplex resent the Bush administration). It is called exceptionalism.
[en.wikipedia.org...]

This Google exceptionalism (like freely stealing content in the name of organizing the worlds information) has lead Google to a totally dominant position online, as everyone has bought into it. The Google Search intentions are still looking good to the outside, but the June 1. crackdown has shown us that they are willing to abuse their unique position on the advertising side of things. Sooner or later Google is going to turn on other people, be prepared. I can see dozens of reason why they would eventually want straighten up the web.

- Stopping non original copied content (the fine definitions will be interesting)
- Trademarks (open for interpretation)
- Deceptive practices (they can come up with a lot here)
- Digital Millennium Copyright Act implementation, or more likely Googles own version of it.
- Anonymous online activities (they might decide that everything should be in the open)
And so on and so on. They will do some of it, just you wait and see.

Google will for webmasters start looking more and more like a straightjacket.

The problem is that so many of us have bought into this Google created myth of Google as exceptional. You see that here on the forum with all the people that think Google can do no harm, it is a very naive attitude (I am sure these very people will attack this post as well, it is very predictable).

What we need is a more diversified web. Google has become to dominant. In the sake of everyones interest no one should control as much of the web as Google does. Therefore it is in each and every ones interest to do what they can to keep the web diversified. When any one party controls more than 20-30-40% of a online turf we should actively encourage diversification and new players. We used to be afraid of Microsoft but right now I see Microsoft as the best hope we have against total Google control.

zett

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 9:35 am on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I can see dozens of reason why they would eventually want straighten up the web.

- Stopping non original copied content (the fine definitions will be interesting)
- Trademarks (open for interpretation)
- Deceptive practices (they can come up with a lot here)
- Digital Millennium Copyright Act implementation, or more likely Googles own version of it.
- Anonymous online activities (they might decide that everything should be in the open)

Any one of the reasons mentioned above is completely OK with me. I do not see how not "stopping non original copied content" or not adhering to DMCA could be seen as bad? Unless you are building "services" that exactly use these schemes to earn money.

Go ahead, Google, go, go, go! You are on the right path.

Hobbs

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 9:35 am on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

newsecular, I wonder if your views are a tiny bit biased by being banned?

Scurramunga

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 9:59 am on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sooner or later Google is going to turn on other people, be prepared. I can see dozens of reason why they would eventually want straighten up the web.

Yeah.....so...It's about high time isn't it?. Are you advocating a live and let live policy as far as MFA/arbitrageurs are concerned?

...liberals at the Googleplex resent the Bush administration

yet another reason to say:

Go ahead, Google, go, go, go! You are on the right path.

:-)))))

Eazygoin

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 1:12 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I do not see how not "stopping non original copied content" or not adhering to DMCA could be seen as bad?

There is a very fine line between original and non-original content. For example, all of the major search engines show the same SERP's. Is this original content or not?

Another example is a major brand name advertising its products on 3rd party websites, much the same as Google ads advertise the same products on thousands of websites.

Scraping original content is obviously copying without permission. But having similar content for products or services is no worse than Tescos selling the same brand names as Sainsbury's. Its called fair competition.

So having similar content acrross websites on the web can be beneficial in such cases in the cyberworld, much the same as in the real world!

Yes, I know, it's food for thought and criticism, but I'm man enough to take it, so fire away!

callivert

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 4:02 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

For example, all of the major search engines show the same SERP's. Is this original content or not?

no, and search results don't get indexed.
(Also, search is a tool, it's not "content" per se)

But having similar content for products or services is no worse than Tescos selling the same brand names as Sainsbury's. Its called fair competition.

same products, similar content... I see no reason why G should waste server space on 30,000 pages that all describe the same model of camera, nor why searchers would even be looking for them. If you want to sell something, Google's mission is not to give you free advertising. That's what "advertising" is for.
(btw as a searcher I currently have no problem finding material on any product I search for, either in adwords or SERPS)

Eazygoin

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 4:33 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

So, you don't believe in fair competition from what you say. The internet is for ALL people, not the few who want things their own way. Apart from which it is often the case that people have favourite websites and want to see the information they require on those favourites, and not search elsewhere for them.

As for search engines, Google has Google Base, and Yahoo has Yahoo Shopping, which show exactly the same content as ecommerce sites. The only difference is that they get revenue from placing ads next to the content, or charge for the content.

It beggars belief that people think that duplicate content should be so prohibitive, whereas in reality it can provide useful information both for viewers and commercial enterprises alike.

I wish some people would write what they actually believe, rather than writing what they think Google wants them to say.

Hobbs

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 5:25 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

>I wish some people would write what they actually believe

Eazygoin,
You're likely to find more people interested in what you want to discuss in the Copyright forum around the corner than here
[webmasterworld.com...]

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3359124 posted 6:11 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Or try:

[webmasterworld.com...]

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 6:45 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

- Digital Millennium Copyright Act implementation, or more likely Googles own version of it.

I really don't see a problem with this unless you can't create your own content and steal from others which is what the MFA page generators are all about. I know a couple of webmasters I've nuked (put out of business) in the past that probably wished the DMCA didn't exist.

callivert

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Msg#: 3359124 posted 8:20 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wish some people would write what they actually believe, rather than writing what they think Google wants them to say.

Why would I care what Google "wants" me to say. I don't work for them. I've been critical of Google on previous threads.
I guess I can sympathise that ecommerce webmasters have a unique problem in that content is not their stock in trade, but they need to have content to get Google love.
There are two solutions: become a content site, or advertise.
My SERPS (as a user) are cluttered with enough duplicate content as it is.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3359124 posted 6:42 am on Jun 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wish some people would write what they actually believe, rather than writing what they think Google wants them to say.

Since most members of this forum are anonymous, why would they make the effort to write "what they think Google wants them to say"?

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