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AdSense Disabling Arbitrage Accounts by June 1st
Freddy81




msg:3342642
 3:37 am on May 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

They told me my account will be disabled at 1st June, and also added that I'll receive payment for all outstanding earnings in accordance with the standard AdSense payment schedule.

For this day (17 May), does it mean that they will pay for April 1-30 earnings, or for May (1-18) also?

 

potentialgeek




msg:3345222
 9:32 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

If the arbiters provide a great thing, and they're really onto something, and on the ball, one of them can and will start a new ad network and pick up where they all left off with Google. This is how the economy works, supply and demand.

Of course, they'll have to sign up publishers. What will the pitch be?

"Making too much money on Adsense? Would you like to get pennies per click? Here at example.com, we believe if we take care of the pennies, the dollars will take care of themselves.

"In a market niche without many advertisers? No worries, we can make sure none of those nasty little PSA notices appear on your site. We guarantee it. We are experts at filling the ad space trough.

"What's the catch? Because of our proprietary PenniesToDollars(TM) technology, we guarantee you'll never earn less than a penny a click. Of course you won't earn more than a penny either.

"A penny for you every 99 pennies for us. Please sign here."

My two cents,

p/g

[edited by: engine at 11:05 am (utc) on May 21, 2007]
[edit reason] examplified [/edit]

chrisuk




msg:3345268
 11:28 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sending traffic from adwds to adsense or bluntly google to google was always going to have its day unless there was substantial worthwhile content on the landing page.

I think Google need to be careful what message they are sending out, there are lots of ppc affiliates on other networks who use adwords to drive traffic to really useful sites, not just ad pages. They do have ads on their pages but their ad placement is intelligent and conservative but quite rightly exists to make money. Search arbitrage has many incarnations and not all methods detract from user experience, I think this point sometimes gets lost. Adwords to Adsense pages are bad arbitrage and deserve a slap, I mean at least use a different network.

This may not be the best place to make the point but there are responsible ppc affiliates out there with real sites who would probably appreciate some clarity from Google on where things are going. Adsense in my view has for a long time damaged the reputation and integrity of responsible affiliates by placing them all in the same big box, yet there is great variety in arbitrage implementations, some very bad and some quite legitimate.

idolw




msg:3345279
 11:41 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

it sounds like my AdWords Dollar is going to be woth more on June 1. Cool :)
BTW. Congrats to everyone who made good money on MFA's!

sailorjwd




msg:3345280
 11:48 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think many of us (you) dabble in arbitrage to some degree whether you admit it or not.

Anyone paying to get traffic to your site and have any type of ads is in the arbitrage business (or an argument can be made that you are).

For instance:

1) Paid links (or even requested links)
2) Paid directory entries
3) Hired an SEO consultant?
4) Any kind of radio/local ads/flyers
5) Paid for content?

Anyone have more for this list? Or, am I totally full of poopoo?

Genuine1




msg:3345362
 1:29 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have never even ask for a link.
And definitely never done anything in your list.

Just good content that existed well before there was a google posted in the spirit of sharing useful information.

Income has been three figures a day since 2003 and I have never modified or updated any site. Income is in fact slowly rising over this 4 year period.

All traffic is natural via good search placement due to strong incoming natural links. Thats all you need.

[edited by: Genuine1 at 1:31 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]

heyday




msg:3345363
 1:32 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know this was brought up earlier in the thread but I one of my biggest questions is there has got to be some type of automation going on to find these "business models"

Thats what I think the "Real" publishers should be worried about if you send any kind of adwords traffic to your site.

The big question are they looking at the page quality and/or if 100% of your traffic comes from Adwords?

What if you have a "Real" website and 100% of your traffic is Adwords.....are you going to get axed?

Or is it just the placement of the ads on the page.....most MFA I see have two adblocks in a row above the page fold...

I think I read one post above where someone got canned and they only had one ad block on their page....

heyday

Genuine1




msg:3345375
 1:49 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you have a "real" website then 100 percent of your traffic wouldnt come from adwords would it?

Real content posted for the fun of sharing useful or interesting stuff gets traffic from all over the net fast.

"Unique content" as in some stuff you typed with a few keywords in it is thin, unwanted and needs to buy traffic since it wont fly on its own.

Its this stuff that pollutes 99% of the the web and that adsense/google/users want rid of from its system.

Not everybody can make an interesting site or actually has anything worthwhile to post! Publishing just like in the book/magazine world is tried by many but few are good enough to succeed! If you cant cut it dont blame google!

[edited by: Genuine1 at 1:56 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]

oneguy




msg:3345379
 1:53 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Why not? I have a few real websites where 100% of my traffic comes from adwords.

They'll eventually have traffic from other places, but that's where they are in the development process. I don't see why that would make a website not "real."

Genuine1




msg:3345384
 1:59 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Because I for one have about 17 sites (all hobby based) and they all got traffic fast just by word of mouth, newsgroups linking, forums linking and eventually because of that googles search pages. If your content is worth having they will come.

And if its not they wont and you are in the wrong business at least as far as googles concerned!

[edited by: Genuine1 at 2:03 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]

Doug10




msg:3345388
 2:04 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google has said previously:

1. Adwords ---> Adsense arbitrage is fine.
2. People who click on an adwords ad should be provided with a good user experience.

So unless these policies have changed, without a public announcement, I'd conclude that 100% adwords traffic onto an adsense site is okay PROVIDED Google - by whatever measure they choose - thinks the user experience is good.

Scurramunga




msg:3345389
 2:04 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Frox: "As a non-arbitrager, I value VERY much the information these guys are giving us, and I think trying to understand what is going on will help us "regular" publishers what will happen to Adsense and to our accounts in the next weeks. "

Why? they are not giving info, they are seeking it. My attitude is let's just wait and see what unfolds. I'm not holding my breath, but I must admit that I am looking forward to seeing what effect it has.

Most arbi players have no sympathy for "honest" publishers that moan & groan that they can't make $$'s from their sites.
I laugh every time I hear someone try and make out they're an "honest" publisher. Because others used a Google sanctioned method to turn a dollar, somehow that makes them "dishonest"? Gimme a break.

I don't like the word "honest" publisher in this context either and as arbitrageurs are expressing their disdain to any ethically motivated responses, here ia a very economically motivated, non ethical and non moral take on the issue:

Finally (if Googles solution proves successful) we may not have to waste our time patrolling our pages in pursuit of low paying advertisers. Finally we might be able use our our time more constructively to improve up our websites for our visitors and provide value to higher paying advertisers. Finally, we can reap the benefits of our labour without having our valuable traffic snatched by the arbitrageur who cannot raise his/her own. We might not make 10k per day, but we hope to continue making money from Adsense long after Arbitrageurs have become fossils and we have forgotten them.

[edited by: Scurramunga at 2:41 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]

sonny




msg:3345394
 2:08 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Genuine1- Quit bragging on yourself. Gets Old!

farmboy




msg:3345401
 2:28 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Finally (if Googles solution proves successful) we may not have to waste our time patrolling our pages in pursuit of low paying advertisers. Finally we might be able use our our time more constructively to improve up our websites for our visitors and provide value to higher paying advertisers.

Not to mention all the time we'll save by not participating in "MFA's are terrible" threads here on WW. :)

FarmBoy

Disclaimer: To repeat my earlier comment, I'll believe this massive shut down of arbitrage fueled MFA sites is real when I see it for myself.

europeforvisitors




msg:3345402
 2:29 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Finally (if Googles solution proves successful) we may not have to waste our time patrolling our pages in pursuit of low paying advertisers.

Removing click arbitrageurs from the equation may ultimately benefit real publishers, but don't expect miracles. Just because you (and I'm using the generic "you" here) have good intentions and worthy content doesn't necessarily mean that clicks will convert for advertisers, or that the demand for clicks on "elbonian underwear fashion" or "blu-ray thumb drives" will exceed publishers' inventory for those keyphrases. If you've got a forum or a "free downloads" site for 10-year-old orphans, you may earn only a penny per click even if Google rounds up click arbitrageurs and ships them to Devil's Island.

Anything that improves advertiser confidence in the AdSense network is a good thing, but it isn't a panacea for every complaint about lousy earnings.

By the way, I'm not a fan of get-rich-quick schemes, but I agree that turning this thread into an MFA bashfest is likely to be counterproductive.

netmeg




msg:3345406
 2:30 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Over the weekend, eWhisper's blog pointed out that Google is just about to roll out a new feature to AdWords advertisers, wherein they will actually be able to see which sites in the Content Network provided clicks, and how they performed on a site by site basis - and that this notification might be a little housecleaning on Google's part before they hit the advertisers with that specific information - which could definitely shock some advertisers who weren't playing close enough attention.

Sounds like a reasonable theory to me.

farmboy




msg:3345407
 2:32 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know this was brought up earlier in the thread but I one of my biggest questions is there has got to be some type of automation going on to find these "business models"

It may be a very simple process that has been in the works for a few months. Have your Google computers make a list of all the URL's that appear in filters across AdSense sorted with the URL's that appear most often at the top, then have someone check those URL's to see if they need a future "we're saying goodbye" email.

FarmBoy

Repeat earlier disclaimer

farmboy




msg:3345410
 2:35 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Having said that, I emptied my filter list once I heard the rumors of Google booting the arbitrage/MFA folks. The effect was a good Saturday (but it seemed to be an overall good day for all sites, so I do not attribute this to the empty filter) and a really bad Sunday (which I do attribute to the empty filter list).

IF your filter is full of arbitrage/MFA URL's and

IF those arbitrage/MFA's sites disappear

Then emptying your filter after those sites have disappeared shouldn't have any effect on your earnings.

FarmBoy

Repeat earlier disclaimer

briggidere




msg:3345412
 2:36 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

netmeg, i think you've hit the nail on the head.

sounds very likely indeed

Hobbs




msg:3345413
 2:37 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

What I would like to do it place once cent ads on their new built sites <insert evil grin>

europeforvisitors




msg:3345418
 2:39 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Over the weekend, eWhisper's blog pointed out that Google is just about to roll out a new feature to AdWords advertisers, wherein they will actually be able to see which sites in the Content Network provided clicks

Advertisers will also be able to pick the sites that get to run their contextual ads:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Scurramunga




msg:3345422
 2:43 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Anything that improves advertiser confidence in the AdSense network is a good thing, but it isn't a panacea for every complaint about lousy earnings.

And advertiser confidence would have to be the largest potential gain to come out of this

farmboy




msg:3345427
 2:45 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't know if what we are reading in this thread is factual or mythical, but there is one consideration for non-MFA publishers.

Unless Google also permanently shuts the MFA folks out of AdWords in addition to AdSense, what's to keep them from keeping the same ads on AdWords, sending the traffic to the same pages full of ads and just changing the ads from AdSense to YPN?

The net result would be the same for the rest of us publishers, we'll still find lots of unwanted ads appearing on our pages and end up with overflowing filters.

FarmBoy

Repeat earlier disclaimer

gendude




msg:3345428
 2:46 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

What I would like to do it place once cent ads on their new built sites <insert evil grin>

lol

That's one thing I won't miss in here - it seems like every few threads where somebody talks about changes in earnings (downturn, whatever), there will be some little arbitrage twerp saying "oh, you're probably making less because people like me are putting one cent ads on your site and driving traffic to our sites".

I know I shouldn't laugh/gloat, but I'm glad those people are going away. I was getting tired of blocking their MFA sites.

gendude




msg:3345430
 2:49 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Unless Google also permanently shuts the MFA folks out of AdWords in addition to AdSense, what's to keep them from keeping the same ads on AdWords, sending the traffic to the same pages full of ads and just changing the ads from AdSense to YPN?

That was my first thought, but I'm sure Google was thinking about this as well and is putting safeguards in place.

It wouldn't make much sense to kick the arbitrage/MFAers out unless Google eliminated them using AW in such a manner.

europeforvisitors




msg:3345436
 2:57 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

It wouldn't make much sense to kick the arbitrage/MFAers out unless Google eliminated them using AW in such a manner.

Especially since this is likely to be as much about the AdWords experience as it is about the AdSense experience.

sailorjwd




msg:3345446
 3:06 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

"Little arbitrage twerps"

There are a lot of adwords folks with great sites who can advertise on content for 1-3 cents per click. One of the reasons they can is because they have great sites.

Perhaps too many adwords folks are blocking your (crummy) site and therefore you get all the low bidders :)

My site gets very few 1-3 cent clicks - of course I block my own ads :)

hyperkik




msg:3345452
 3:14 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

It wouldn't make much sense to kick the arbitrage/MFAers out unless Google eliminated them using AW in such a manner.

Especially since this is likely to be as much about the AdWords experience as it is about the AdSense experience.

I think Google has been trying to automate this process for a long time, to suck the profits out of arbitrage through smart pricing and landing page quality algorithms. The current action suggests that those methods have not been successful, which suggests to me that arbitrage may well continue by directing AdWords traffic to other advertising networks.

netmeg




msg:3345458
 3:22 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Unless Google also permanently shuts the MFA folks out of AdWords in addition to AdSense, what's to keep them from keeping the same ads on AdWords, sending the traffic to the same pages full of ads and just changing the ads from AdSense to YPN?

Presumably the continuing refinement of the quality score. Won't happen overnight, but I believe I am seeing definite improvement over the past months.

oneguy




msg:3345479
 3:51 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Genuine1
Because I for one have about 17 sites (all hobby based) and they all got traffic fast just by word of mouth, newsgroups linking, forums linking and eventually because of that googles search pages. If your content is worth having they will come.
And if its not they wont and you are in the wrong business at least as far as googles concerned!

lol. Yes, I can tell they feel so by the way they continue to hit my credit cards for large sums.

netmeg
Google is just about to roll out a new feature to AdWords advertisers, wherein they will actually be able to see which sites in the Content Network provided clicks, and how they performed on a site by site basis

europeforvisitors
Advertisers will also be able to pick the sites that get to run their contextual ads:

That will change everything, and I can't wait. I only wish they planned to make the reports available retroactively, assuming they have the data. I'll almost always take more information over less information, even if the information doesn't make me real happy.

farmboy




msg:3345492
 4:05 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Presumably the continuing refinement of the quality score.

On the other hand, the automation attempts weren't able to keep out MFA's, misleading ads, etc..

FarmBoy

europeforvisitors




msg:3345504
 4:13 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

On the other hand, the automation attempts weren't able to keep out MFA's, misleading ads, etc..

Apparently they've been good enough to identify targets for the current purge.

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